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| #1 Posted on 25.8.03 0149.58 Reposted on: 25.8.10 0150.22 | Is anyone else reading this storyline in the Batman comic book series? It's so good that it's gotten me hooked on comics again after a five-year hiatus (damn you, Spider-Man clone storyline!).
Two questions...
1) Is there a really good comic book reference/criticism website? I'm basically looking for the comic equivalent of 411, with the discussion equivalent of the Wienerboard.
2) Who the hell is Hush??? It couldn't really be Jason Todd, could it? That would be an appropriately major turn, but since there are still parts left, I'm wondering if there could be yet another twist to come. Promote this thread! | | Enojado Viento
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| #2 Posted on 25.8.03 0205.02 Reposted on: 25.8.10 0213.59 | I'm sorta interested by it. . .it's kinda a by-the-numbers Batman story, but Jim Lee's art has been awesome by and large (I liked the utterly gratiuitous "gallery of Batmobiles" shot)and the story's starting to draw me in.
As to the identity of Hush: Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
I think he is. Hush's costume in the promo art is the one Jason had on (Robin by way of Grifter--ugly, but not the worst Robin outfit) in the latest issue. Beyond the suit, the pieces fit too well--only someone who had been a former member of the Batman Family could have the information to attack Batman that way. There was him and Azrael unaccounted for and I have no idea what happened to him. Doesn't explain why Jason didn't just tell them who Batman was, but maybe that'll be explained next issue. I'm just glad they planted the seed to explain Jason's return in advance. |
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| #3 Posted on 25.8.03 0215.30 Reposted on: 25.8.10 0217.35 | If it actually is Todd, then I must say I'm just a wee bit disappointed that Loeb is undoing one of the major storylines and plot points in Batman history (the death of Robin).
I had a wild theory that Loeb could've done a real mindfuck with the Batfans and had Hush been another of the villains behind one of the major storylines in recent years...namely, the man behind Aftershock, the Ventriloquist. Namely, his 'Hush' could've been his own voice silenced by that of Scarface for so long, now finally free to wreak havoc on Batman. | Enojado Viento
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| #4 Posted on 25.8.03 0240.43 Reposted on: 25.8.10 0241.46 |
Originally posted by Big Bad If it actually is Todd, then I must say I'm just a wee bit disappointed that Loeb is undoing one of the major storylines and plot points in Batman history (the death of Robin).
If they can get some use out of Jason Todd, fine. He was an annoying ass of a character and seeing him murdered as gruesomely as the Comics Code would allow was a high point in my comics reading.
I like the idea of him sticking around as a sort of Batman protoge gone evil. Hasn't really been done before with someone becoming a straight villian. It's the most potential the guy's ever had in the two times he's been brought in before now.
Wasn't exactly a "major" event, but it was a very public way of saying "Gosh we really fucked up, didn't we?"
My prediction for the end of "Hush?" Huntress dies, because every time she appears, people are reminded that the first one was so much better. | Big Bad
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| #5 Posted on 25.8.03 1325.36 Reposted on: 25.8.10 1326.39 | If Todd was resurrected via one of Ra's Al Ghul's 'Lazarus pits,' then someone had to have put him in there in the first place. Perhaps that person is the real Hush.
The trick is figuring out who, since every major villain has pretty much already been featured so far. Pretty much the only ones we haven't seen so far are Scarecrow, Penguin and Bane. | The Vile1
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| #6 Posted on 25.8.03 1400.42 Reposted on: 25.8.10 1401.43 | What about this new chrome dome that claims to be Harvey Dent, who's scars have healed?
And where does Lex Luthor stand in all of this? | Big Bad
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| #7 Posted on 26.8.03 0214.06 Reposted on: 26.8.10 0219.09 | Frankly, I'm not really a fan of making Lex Luthor the Vince McMahon of the entire DC Universe. I know he's the President and everything, but he's a SUPERMAN villain; he should be making extremely rare appearances in Batman, since frankly, Lex has the resources to squash Bats like a bug.
In addition to my earlier theory about Hush not being Jason Todd, it's been established that Hush knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne, which would seem to eliminate Penguin and Scarecrow from the running. It could still be Bane, I guess, but I'm thinking that Todd is probably Hush after all. Though if he really wanted to fuck over Batman, why didn't he just make his secret identity public knowledge?
What about this new chrome dome that claims to be Harvey Dent, who's scars have healed?
Maybe someone thought the Batman comics needed more Kane. | Enojado Viento
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| #8 Posted on 26.8.03 1032.41 Reposted on: 26.8.10 1059.20 |
Originally posted by Big Bad If Todd was resurrected via one of Ra's Al Ghul's 'Lazarus pits,' then someone had to have put him in there in the first place. Perhaps that person is the real Hush.
The trick is figuring out who, since every major villain has pretty much already been featured so far. Pretty much the only ones we haven't seen so far are Scarecrow, Penguin and Bane.
That's the only thing for me--somone had to dig him up and throw him in one, and who would do it?
Plus, since when to the Lazarus Pits work that way?
Ah well, hopefully patience will reward me with a better answer than "Hypertime." | Davros
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| #9 Posted on 26.8.03 1243.04 Reposted on: 26.8.10 1243.52 | Think about it. Lex Luthor was the one behind it. Look, at the end of No Man's Land, doesn't it sound like Lex knows the true identity of Batman? He figures if he can get Jason Todd to rub out Batman, great. But in reality, it's his way of keeping Bats in check. After all, he needs Gotham City to be locked down, because ALL of those villains have become a threat to him by the fact he's president.
So keep Batman alive to keep Gotham under wraps, and have the ultimate weapon to finally take him out when the time is right sounds like a Luthor plan to me.
P.S.-- I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this Hush story is absolutely kick ass Jimmy Lee-Jeffy Loeby-Loeb goodness! BOOMSHAKALAKA!!!
(whew, sorry bout that.) | Mild Mannered Madman
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| #10 Posted on 27.8.03 0406.00 Reposted on: 27.8.10 0409.19 |
Originally posted by Enojado Viento
Originally posted by Big Bad If Todd was resurrected via one of Ra's Al Ghul's 'Lazarus pits,' then someone had to have put him in there in the first place. Perhaps that person is the real Hush.
The trick is figuring out who, since every major villain has pretty much already been featured so far. Pretty much the only ones we haven't seen so far are Scarecrow, Penguin and Bane.
That's the only thing for me--somone had to dig him up and throw him in one, and who would do it?
Plus, since when to the Lazarus Pits work that way?
Well, the name "Lazarus" implies it, first and foremost.
And in JLA's "Tower of Babel" arc, Ra's was attempting to resurrect Bruce's parents, if only for a mindfuck. Although, it could be that just the attempt is enough of a mindfuck of it's own. | Big Bad
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| #11 Posted on 1.9.03 1305.01 Reposted on: 1.9.10 1306.47 | At least we can be glad the villain wasn't Bruce's old doctor buddy that we had never heard of before. That would've been quite the deus ex ending | Dagent913
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| #12 Posted on 1.9.03 1347.21 Reposted on: 1.9.10 1350.12 | Originally posted by Enojado Viento
Originally posted by Big Bad If Todd was resurrected via one of Ra's Al Ghul's 'Lazarus pits,' then someone had to have put him in there in the first place. Perhaps that person is the real Hush.
The trick is figuring out who, since every major villain has pretty much already been featured so far. Pretty much the only ones we haven't seen so far are Scarecrow, Penguin and Bane.
That's the only thing for me--somone had to dig him up and throw him in one, and who would do it?
Plus, since when to the Lazarus Pits work that way?
Ah well, hopefully patience will reward me with a better answer than "Hypertime."
Since the first appearance of Ras, I believe, or at least sometime near there. Apparently, resurrecting somebody extinguishes that particular Pit, though.
And I still have no idea what Hypertime is. | odessasteps
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| #13 Posted on 1.9.03 1404.06 Reposted on: 1.9.10 1404.11 | Hypertime is basically an ability to do whatever you wanted to do, continuity wise.
At the end of the Kingdom Mini-series, it was revealed that all continuities are out there and possible. So, any old story that was dismissed post-crisis or post-Zero Hour is okay again. | Enojado Viento
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| #14 Posted on 1.9.03 1429.30 Reposted on: 1.9.10 1430.03 | Originally posted by odessasteps
Hypertime is basically an ability to do whatever you wanted to do, continuity wise.
At the end of the Kingdom Mini-series, it was revealed that all continuities are out there and possible. So, any old story that was dismissed post-crisis or post-Zero Hour is okay again.
Yeah, that's about it. Also, every Elseworlds story happened in normal DC continuity.
Basically it was Mark Waid and Grant Morrison's plot to undo "Crisis," but it hasn't come to very much, thankfully. | odessasteps
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| #15 Posted on 1.9.03 1638.59 Reposted on: 1.9.10 1639.16 | The best thing it does is take off the reins for telling stories that wouldn't possible anymore. You can know write an earth-two story, if you want, for example, and not immediately have it labelled as something that "violates" continouity or anything like that.
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| #16 Posted on 1.9.03 1822.02 Reposted on: 1.9.10 1829.01 | Originally posted by Big Bad Is anyone else reading this storyline in the Batman comic book series? It's so good that it's gotten me hooked on comics again after a five-year hiatus (damn you, Spider-Man clone storyline!).
Two questions...
1) Is there a really good comic book reference/criticism website? I'm basically looking for the comic equivalent of 411, with the discussion equivalent of the Wienerboard.
2) Who the hell is Hush??? It couldn't really be Jason Todd, could it? That would be an appropriately major turn, but since there are still parts left, I'm wondering if there could be yet another twist to come.
Glad to have you back! (among us regular comic readers, that is).
If you like Jeph Loeb's writing on this series (he's pretty good, but the biggest reason I'm collecting Batman right now is Jim Lee's artwork), check out the new Batman/Superman (aka "Formerly Known as the World's Finest ;-) ) that he is doing. Of course, along with his writing, I mainly get it for Ed McGuinness' artwork, since I really dig the way he draws Superman.
As for a comics review website, I suggest www.thefourthrail.com They usually have reviews of the first look books their respective comic shops receive up by Sunday night, and they update with other books they receive on Wednesdays by Thursday night. I think they're pretty fair and knowledgeable for the most part.
Weinerboard poster Papercuts! used to write reviews for a website, but I can't remember what it was and I lost the link. If he's still around, or someone remembers the site, I'd appreciate it.
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| #17 Posted on 1.9.03 2015.56 Reposted on: 1.9.10 2020.39 | I think World's Finest is off to a dopey start.
People wanting to read more of Loeb's stuff should go straight away to his stuff with Tim Sale, either the Halloween stuff at DC or the "color" books from Marvel. | Freeway
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| #18 Posted on 2.9.03 0042.44 Reposted on: 2.9.10 0045.47 | Well, the Loeb/Sale books are on hold for a while (Hulk: Gray being the final for a while) due to Loeb signing an exclusive deal with DC.
Shame, I really liked his stuff. | Dagent913
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| #19 Posted on 2.9.03 1927.28 Reposted on: 2.9.10 1928.42 | Originally posted by Freeway420 Well, the Loeb/Sale books are on hold for a while (Hulk: Gray being the final for a while) due to Loeb signing an exclusive deal with DC.
Shame, I really liked his stuff.
Sale is also DC exclusive, and they are planning more Loeb/Sale stories. In fact, the first one is Catwoman: When in Rome, which is supposed to tell the story of where Catwoman ran off to in Dark Victory. | odessasteps
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| #20 Posted on 3.9.03 1507.36 Reposted on: 3.9.10 1514.00 | I don't think either Long Halloween book is as good as the first two Halloween specials (the third is a bit spotty). |
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