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#1 Posted on 26.6.03 1212.03
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This is an all-star team I made on my lunch, taking into account the "one player per team" rule. The real teams could never look like this thanks to fan voting, but what the hell....

AL
Starters
C Jorge Posado, NYY
1B Carlos Delgao, TOR
2B Alfonos Soriano, NYY
3B Hank Blalock, TEX
SS Nomar Garciaparra, BOS
OF Melvin Mora, BAL
OF Manny Ramirez, BOS
OF Ichiro, SEA
DH Frank Thomas, CHI
SP Esteban Loaiza, CHI

Bench
AJ Pierzynski, C MIN
Mike Sweeney, 1B, KC
Kevin Millar, 1B, BOS
Bret Boone, 2B, SEA
Michael Young, 2B, TEX
Alex Rodriguez, SS, TEX
Corie Koskie, 3B, MIN
Eric Munson, 3B, DET
Milton Bradley, OF, CLE
Garrett Anderson, OF, ANA
Aubrey Huff, OF, TB
Vernon Wells, OF, TOR
Roy Halladay, SP, TOR
Eddie Guardado, RP, MIN
Keith Foulke, RP, OAK
David Wells, SP, NYY
Sidney Ponson, SP, BAL
Roger Clemens, SP, NYY
Mark Mulder, SP, OAK
Jamie Moyer, SP, SEA
Brendan Donnelly, RP, ANA
Barry Zito, SP, OAK

NL
Starters
C Javier Lopez, ATL
1B Todd Helton, COL
2B Luis Castillo, FLA
3B Mike Lowell, FLA
SS Edgar Renteria, STL
OF Albert Pujols, STL
OF Gary Sheffield, ATL
OF Preston Wilson, COL
DH Barry Bonds, SF
SP Kevin Brown, LA

Bench
Mike Lieberthal, C, PHI
Paul LoDuca, C, LA
Richie Sexson, 1B, MIL
Robert Fick, 1B, ATL
Jose Vidro, 2B, MON
Mark Loretta, 2B, SD
Alex Gonzalez, SS, FLA
Aaron Boone, 3B, CIN
Kenny Lofton, OF, PIT
Jim Edmonds, OF STL
Corey Patterson, OF, CHI
Luis Gonzalez, OF, ARI
Shawn Chacon, SP, COL
Dontrelle Willis, SP, FLA
Eric Gagne, RP, LA
John Smoltz, RP, ATL
Mark Prior, SP, CHI
Jae Seo, SP, NYM
Billy Wagner, RP, HOU
Miguel Batista, SP, ARI
Hideo Nomo, SP, LA
Woody Williams, SP, STL




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#2 Posted on 26.6.03 1217.31
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I would have thrown Austin Kearns from Cincy on the reserves over Boone or put them both on the reserves. But other than that we have pretty much the same line up.
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#3 Posted on 26.6.03 1316.12
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Are the real all-star rosters this big? I thought it was just 25 players.
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#4 Posted on 26.6.03 1348.36
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Three Blue Jays (Delgado, Wells & Halladay)...looks good, Cory Lidle might sneak onto the real all-star team, too.
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#5 Posted on 26.6.03 1357.35
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I think the real teams are 27 players. Might be thirty. I forget, I know they added two this year, but, I don't remember what the original settings were.


I don't know if I'd put Millar or Fick on there. There have to be more deserving first basemen in both leagues. Jason Giambi, Rafael Palmeiro, both come to mind over Millar in the AL. And Jim Thome, Derrick Lee in the NL.

I'd be more inclined to have Dmitri Young as Detroit's representative. He could replace Munson as a reserve third basemen, and he can also play the outfield and first base. I also think that Rocco Baldelli has merit to the team from the Devil Rays. I might also go with Wells over Mora in the outfield, but Mora's also in the top two in the league in BA. I was going to say something about Ponson, especially with Mora already being on the team, but I took a look at his numbers, and he's having a pretty damn good season. Same with Miguel Batista, although I think Jason Schmidt, Kerry Wood, Randy Wolf, and perhaps Javier Vazquez are all more deserving than him, especially considering you've already got Luis Gonzalez on the team.

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#6 Posted on 26.6.03 1423.10
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The Real teams have 32(!) players....

I went back and forth between Munson and Young, which set off the chain reaction with the OF situation in the AL. No matter who you pick from Detroit, it's a reach. Palmeiro is only hitting .260(or so) so I couldn't merit his inclusion. Mora is hitting .366, is 2nd in the AL in OPS, and I'm certinaly not going to dis a Baltimore guy! If I had to do anything with Millar, I'd drop him, and put Edgar Martinez on there as another DH.

Batista is something I might consider swapping out with any of the pitchers you mentioned(in fact, Wolf was originally the Phillies rep before I switched with Lieberthal). Schmidt was a tough choice to leave out on the first list, as a lot of guys were deserving...
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#7 Posted on 26.6.03 1433.58
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Raffy's hitting .269 with 17 homers and 47 RBI, compared to Millar's line of .313, 12, and 55(!!!). I didn't realize Millar had driven in that many runs. Shit, and he's fourth in the AL in OPS (among first basemen). I can't really argue with him being on there at all. I still have to disagree with Fick.


Edit: I need to finish my thoughts before hitting submit.

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#8 Posted on 26.6.03 1453.54
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Despite the hype the New York press has forced down America's throats, the great Clemens is only 7-5 this season after his most recent loss to Tampa. There have to be better candidates than that (and since Torre isn't picking the AL team this year, at least it means the Yankees 5th outfielder won't mysteriously be picked as a reserve).
As for Millar, he's a streak player who has been racking up the RBI's the past two weeks (having Garciaparra and Ramirez on base in front of him has slightly helped that job out).
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#9 Posted on 26.6.03 1505.45
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Two words: Gil. Meche. 9-3, 2.89 ERA, and he'd be 10-3 if Nelson hadn't given up 5 in the ninth last Friday. Put him in there instead of the Rocket.

Also, Boone (.315, 21, 63) should be the starter, Soriano (.284, 20, 47) the backup for AL 2B.

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#10 Posted on 27.6.03 1607.41
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I've got some improvements for this team. First off, JayJay is right, Boone should start over Soriano.

The biggest omission is Jenkins, Mil - (.289, 19, 60)

Also add Jason Giambi, NYY - (.261, 20, 56) + leading league in walks.

I'm not sold on Lofton, Lorretta, or Munson. Who else do these teams have to offer?

Pitching, add Mussina instead of Clemens, you think Meche has good numbers, look at Mussina - (10 Wins, 2.95 ERA, 104 Ks*)

For NL pitchers you really need Jason Schmidt - ok, he only has 7 wins, but look at his 2.23 ERA with 117 Ks).

I also want Octovio Dotel (6 wins, 1.64 ERA) to counter the ALs Donnely.
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#11 Posted on 27.6.03 1850.58
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Detroit: Munson (.244, 10, 30) should be replaced by Dmitri Young (.284, 15, 43).

Pittsburgh: Lofton isn't bad (.275, 8, 25) and Aramis Ramirez' (.292, 7, 43) OPS is slightly higher (.786 v. .772) but I'd go with Brian Giles, injury or not. His OPS is .932 and he only has about 70 less plate appearances than the other two guys. Plus he's the one Pirate who deserves to go every year.

San Diego: I'd take Rondell White (.291, 12, 37) over Loretta (.299, 6, 28) and Klesko (15 HRs but .254 BA).
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#12 Posted on 27.6.03 2139.19
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See, the problem with Rondell White (puts on the same old record) is that he might not make it injury-free to the All-Star break. Therefore, Loretta isn't quite as a bad an option to me as it may seem; if I'm not mistaken, he's also playing second, where .299/6/28 doesn't seem t be hideous - matter of fact, that's up there for the position. On the other hand, White's .291/12/37 puts him on par with more outfielders.

Dimitri Young should get the Tigers' spot over Munson - he can play third anyway, as he's done it a few times this year already. As for Pittsburgh... sure, why not Giles. I don't pay much attention to them, so I wouldn't know.

As for Fick, why not replace him with someone like Thome (.249, 18, 53) or Derrek Lee (.256, 13, 36, 14 SB)? Fick's not having a bad year by any stretch of the imagination, but Smoltz, Javy, and Sheffield are already on the team; Fick doesn't have to be there. (For that matter, you can swap out Fick, Sexson, and Luis for Jenkins, Thome, and Lee.) Heck, with adding Thome, you have the Phils rep, so you can drop Batista and add Wolf so you have even more Phillies goodness.

Also, where's the love for Orlando Cabrera at SS? We go how many posts without ANYONE mentioning him? Sheesh.

I'd actually argue for Meche's inclusion over Moyer's, as although their stats are insanely similar (Moyer: 10-5, 3.14 ERA, 71 K. Meche: 10-3, 3.27 ERA, 70 K), Meche has had the "better" season, at least to me. Less was expected of him - he's performed way better than anyone would think, hence he'd get the All-Star slot. Put Mussina on before Clemens, though - even though he did get 300 and 4,000 this year...
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