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|  #2 Posted on 13.2.02 0203.50
Reposted on: 13.2.09 0205.04 | | Well....mark is nore of a carny-speak colloquialism. Slang can kinda create its own grammar. "Mark for..." can be appropriate, just like "CRZ is a worker for XO" not "of XO" as well. | Excalibur05
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| #3 Posted on 13.2.02 0236.47
Reposted on: 13.2.09 0245.22 | There's some implied action too. "Marking" is an action. Being a fan is not. Thus if one is a "mark for Steve Blackman", it implies that when one watches Blackman wrestle or sees Blackman buying cheese in the dairy aisle, then he/she would perform the act of marking out. (Gee that sounded alot less sick when I first thought it...)
If a person is just a fan of Blackman, then it doesn't imply any sort of action on thier part. If a person is a fan of say Test, it doesn't mean that they will cheer wildly every time they see Test, it just means that they enjoy Test...(Oh dear...)
Thus: One marks for Blackman, so one is a mark for Blackman
One does not fan of Test, however one is a fan of Test.
(edited by Excalibur05 on 13.2.02 1742) | MoeGates
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| #4 Posted on 13.2.02 1204.01
Reposted on: 13.2.09 1229.03 | If you say "I am a mark for Blackman," that makes Blackman the indirect object and "mark" the direct object. If you say "I am a fan of Test" that makes "Test" the direct object and "fan" a possesive of "Test."
However, if you say "I am a Test fan" or "I am a Blackman mark," then the word "mark" or "fan" is the possesive and "Blackman" or "Test" is the direct object.
So I gues the question is "why can the word 'mark' be used with an indirect object while the 'fan' can't?"
The answer is: I have no idea. I tried to figure it out but nothing really worked. Any ideas?
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| #5 Posted on 13.2.02 1304.41
Reposted on: 13.2.09 1305.21 | Because, as Excalibur said in so many words, Mark and Marking are verbs. I don't fan out for Angle, but I do Mark out for Angle. It's as simple as that.
Verbing words is fun, ain't it?
-jAg | MoeGates
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| #6 Posted on 13.2.02 1409.34
Reposted on: 13.2.09 1412.15 | But look at it this way. I can be a Test mark, and be a mark for Test, because as you say, "marking" is a verb. I can be a Test nut, and be a nut for Test, but "nutting" sure isn't a verb.
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| #7 Posted on 13.2.02 1933.09
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Originally posted by MoeGates
but "nutting" sure isn't a verb.
Moe
It could be in a dirty way. A guy I used to work with use to say it in reference to his sexcapades. Funny guy. Anyone can make a noun a verb or anything they want it to be even if it doesn't make much sense. There was this published short story I had to read for one of my workshop classes that was full of nouns as verbs like "he Mountain Dewed to the mailbox." Trippy stuff. | Jaguar
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| #8 Posted on 13.2.02 2301.16
Reposted on: 13.2.09 2303.51 |
Originally posted by MoeGates
But look at it this way. I can be a Test mark, and be a mark for Test, because as you say, "marking" is a verb. I can be a Test nut, and be a nut for Test, but "nutting" sure isn't a verb.
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Hmmm. There's something inherently wrong in the language :) Anyway... you being a Test nut/mark/fan sets you as the object (a mark/nut/fan) and being described by being for a nut for Test. Bleh, if I was an english major kind of guy I could say that correctly and in a simple format. Anyway, you can't be a fan for Test, unless you were being 'a fan, for Test'. So why can you be a nut for Test? Maybe if I say it like, "I'm a crazy person for Test". That works. But "I'm a crazy for Test" doesn't. Bleh, I'm utterly worthless in this thread, so I surrender.
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| #9 Posted on 13.2.02 2327.54
Reposted on: 13.2.09 2329.05 | It all comes back to the most versatile word in the english language: Fuck. Fuck has so many different connotations and grammatical uses, it's astounding.
Verb: "You don't always have to fuck her hard."
Noun: "You have got to be the dumbest fuck I've ever met."
Adjective: "Would you like to take a ride in my fuck wagon?"
Gerund: "I've really got to take a fucking pee."
That's not mentioning fucker, motherfucker, fuckface, ass-fuckingly, etc...
The point I'm trying to make is that if people started saying "I'm a mark of Test", then eventually, if enough people used it, it would become an accepted part of the language. | Zeruel
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| #10 Posted on 14.2.02 0002.31
Reposted on: 14.2.09 0007.14 | | nutting = ejaculating | who__lame
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|  #11 Posted on 14.2.02 0032.46
Reposted on: 14.2.09 0044.30 | I thought of 4 sentences last night which might or might shed more light on this and seems to bear Excabilur out. Here they are without explainations.
1a) I am an employee of IBM
1b) I am a worker for IBM
1a) I am an employee for IBM
1b) I am a worker of IBM
3a) I am a sucker for fruity-tooty lollypops.
32b) I am a sucker of fruity-tooty lollypops.
P.S Don't take these literally. ;-) | who__lame
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| #12 Posted on 14.2.02 0032.46
Reposted on: 14.2.09 0044.30 | I thought of 4 sentences last night which might or might shed more light on this and seems to bear Excabilur out. Here they are without explainations.
1a) I am an employee of IBM
1b) I am a worker for IBM
1a) I am an employee for IBM
1b) I am a worker of IBM
3a) I am a sucker for fruity-tooty lollypops.
32b) I am a sucker of fruity-tooty lollypops.
P.S Don't take these literally. ;-) | who__lame
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| #13 Posted on 14.2.02 0032.46
Reposted on: 14.2.09 0044.30 | I thought of 4 sentences last night which might or might shed more light on this and seems to bear Excabilur out. Here they are without explainations.
1a) I am an employee of IBM
1b) I am a worker for IBM
1a) I am an employee for IBM
1b) I am a worker of IBM
3a) I am a sucker for fruity-tooty lollypops.
32b) I am a sucker of fruity-tooty lollypops.
P.S Don't take these literally. ;-) | Dr Unlikely
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| #14 Posted on 14.2.02 0844.37
Reposted on: 14.2.09 0850.39 | It's not really about mark being a verb. Mark, in the carny sense that Lou mentioned above, is referring to the person being an easy target for someone to fool. So if you use "mark" in the pseudo-bastardized way that we tend to in this sense, someone who really likes Blackman is, in a sense, a mark for him, since the person would be more easily targeted by Blackman.
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