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#1 Posted on 19.5.03 1233.49
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This is a long article for your consideration basically saying that Girls have blown past boys in the realm of education and the potential reasons and ramifications for it.

All of this points to the law of unintended consequences. Because of Title IX, the playing field in education has been slanted towards girls, not leveled as it was intended. This leads to the potneital, as stated in the article, that there are 133 girls getting BAs for every 100 guys right now and up to 156 girls per 100 guys by 2020.

It's law, it's culture, and it's a problem. The question is: why is nobody talking about it?
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#2 Posted on 19.5.03 1349.38
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Girls may blow past boys early on, but males clearly age much better like Jon Favreau says. ;-)

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#3 Posted on 19.5.03 1616.24
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Because of Title IX, the playing field in education has been slanted towards girls, not leveled as it was intended.

Title IX has precious little to do with it - the article makes it fairly obvious that the root cause of the problem lies at the elementary level and a widespread mis-diagnosis of "boys being boys" as ADD or chronic hyperactivity and thus something that requires medication.
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#4 Posted on 19.5.03 1816.39
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Not having children of my own, I don't really know much about the current educational system. So I can't comment too much on the validity of the piece. However, the statement tacked on at the end:

"Some feminists who fought hard for girl equality in schools in the early 1980s and '90s say this: So what if girls have gotten 10, 20 years of attention -- does that make up for centuries of subjugation?"

made me wonder. Is it right to, in correcting past injustices, create a new imbalance as payback? (I think we all know the answer to that.)

Edit: Although I can say that, from personal experience, I recieved poorer grades when I was younger than when I had matured. Whether this is due to some of the reasons stated by "recent studies" (isn't that a lot like "backstage sources"?) or just me, though, is uncertain.

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#5 Posted on 19.5.03 1832.03
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Could this possibly have something to do with biology, that women are inherently "better wired" to handle college? College requires you to think abstractly, to have patience, to think a number of different things at the same time. Have we not heard that women are "better" at these sorts of things, and that in general men are better at focusing on one specific task at a time and tend to be more easily distracted?

Of course this doesn't mean women are necessarily *learning* any more than men at college. In fact women may be more prone to seeing a college degree as a status symbol and not really thinking of how they could put it to its best use.

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#6 Posted on 19.5.03 1840.39
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Could this possibly have something to do with biology, that women are inherently "better wired" to handle college? College requires you to think abstractly, to have patience, to think a number of different things at the same time.

And yet men are biologically better at things like spatial reasoning and hard logic that gets used in math. Of course, there has been a growing de-emphasis on the sciences over the past two decades.

In fact women may be more prone to seeing a college degree as a status symbol and not really thinking of how they could put it to its best use.

Clearly, their best place is in the kitchen! Right, DMC? Huh?
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#7 Posted on 19.5.03 1904.41
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Nope.

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#8 Posted on 20.5.03 0049.39
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    Originally posted by Grimis

    It's law, it's culture, and it's a problem. The question is: why is nobody talking about it?



How is this a problem? Yes, Title IX has had some unintended consequences -- which could easily be solved, but I don't feel like going on that rant right now -- but isn't it better than "let's keep 'em barefoot and pregnant?"

Also, how exactly does Title IX lead to more women than men getting college degrees? The wording is pretty clear; it simply prohibits discrimination by entities that receive federal funding on the basis of gender.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but your characterization of this as a "problem" strikes me as a real "Ew! Girls! Cooties!" reaction. Read the article again: Women may be getting more degrees, but men are still getting more of the high-powered degrees, making more money and gaining more power. So I think it's rather obvious that instead of the question being "Why are all them damn wimmen gettin' educated?", it should be "Is education doing them any good?"

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#9 Posted on 20.5.03 0207.23
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"Title IX has precious little to do with it - the article makes it fairly obvious that the root cause of the problem lies at the elementary level and a widespread mis-diagnosis of "boys being boys" as ADD or chronic hyperactivity and thus something that requires medication."

If this is the case, why can't we just eliminate Title IX altogether? The whole concept is idiotic, and the same thing goes for Title I. When will people realize that these programs don't help anybody.
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#10 Posted on 20.5.03 1225.58
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When they stop helping people. Or was that not your point?
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#11 Posted on 21.5.03 0833.22
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Besides just a gender gap, now there is a whole trend towards not admiting white males to colleges, the whole process now totally hinders white males chances to get to college.
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#12 Posted on 21.5.03 0837.33
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    Originally posted by Crimedog
    How is this a problem? Yes, Title IX has had some unintended consequences -- which could easily be solved, but I don't feel like going on that rant right now -- but isn't it better than "let's keep 'em barefoot and pregnant?"

So instead of righting wrongs, it's better to create new and different wrongs instead?


    Originally posted by Crimedog
    Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but your characterization of this as a "problem" strikes me as a real "Ew! Girls! Cooties!" reaction.

No the problem is that you are mischaracterizing my argument. The problem is that boys are falling way the hell behind. Title IX(which is legalized DISCRIMINATION mind you) is just one reason why.
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