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#1 Posted on 15.5.03 0805.23
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This is a story that is picking up a lot of steam over in the UK.

Click Here (news.bbc.co.uk)
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#2 Posted on 15.5.03 0846.32
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Propoganda in war? Never!
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#3 Posted on 15.5.03 1006.20
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Exactly, so why are we trusting BushCo again?
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#4 Posted on 15.5.03 1040.05
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    Originally posted by messenoir
    Exactly, so why are we trusting BushCo again?

Under this rationale why would we ever trust any administration ever?
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#5 Posted on 15.5.03 1101.20
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In war, I agree with you.
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#6 Posted on 15.5.03 1111.28
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    Originally posted by messenoir
    Exactly, so why are we trusting BushCo again?
Why trust The Guardian?
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#7 Posted on 15.5.03 1114.31
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    Originally posted by CRZ

      Originally posted by messenoir
      Exactly, so why are we trusting BushCo again?
    Why trust The Guardian?


Why trust either one?

Get information from as many different sources as possible, and decide for ourselves which ones seem plausible.
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#8 Posted on 15.5.03 1120.37
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    Originally posted by vsp
    Why trust either one?

    Get information from as many different sources as possible, and decide for ourselves which ones seem plausible.

Hey, I'm with you. I went to Google to see how this story was "picking up steam" and all I found was the fact that the reporter from this story was with a notoriously biased UK paper. The reason it was reposted on the BBC site was that it's going to air as part of a TV show on BBC2 on Sunday, from what I gather. Pretty sneaky of A-MOL to obscure the link by using the BBC one and not the Guardian one...of course, I shouldn't say "sneaky" because it would imply I think he has some ulterior motive and I don't know that at all. However, his choice of words in the thread title don't exactly inspire me.

I never started this forum with the idea that people would just come here to post inflammatory links, "I told you so" stories and "this'll piss off/make happy you righties/lefties/whatevers" topics. It sure seems like that's all we're getting lately.
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#9 Posted on 15.5.03 1145.22
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    I went to Google to see how this story was "picking up steam" and all I found was the fact that the reporter from this story was with a notoriously biased UK paper. The reason it was reposted on the BBC site was that it's going to air as part of a TV show on BBC2 on Sunday, from what I gather. Pretty sneaky of A-MOL to obscure the link by using the BBC one and not the Guardian one...of course, I shouldn't say "sneaky" because it would imply I think he has some ulterior motive and I don't know that at all.


Which leads into the obvious question: what sources are _generally_ trustable? What is it that makes the BBC more reliable (or not) than the Guardian?

Clearly, we all come in with our own inherent biases, and every news source will have its critics. My .sig quote demonstrates my own contempt for a particular "news" agency, for instance, and some sources make no bones about their particular tilt. Is the Guardian left-leaning? Yeah, I'd say so. Most political web sites are unabashedly opinionated. Most pundits (from Molly Ivins to Ann Coulter and everyone in between) aren't providing news, they're providing opinions _about_ news. And then you have USA Today, which is generally only good for the sports section for fantasy-sports participants.

If you're looking for a dose of (What Is At Least Likely To Be) The Truth, where do you go? (open to the group...)

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#10 Posted on 19.5.03 0509.56
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Erm, not to out myself as a lefty Guardian lover, but I did pick up the story on the Beeb site and didn't realise the source. A lot of other papers with other leanings picked up on the story over the weekend.
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#11 Posted on 19.5.03 1345.27
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Wow, seems like things become amazingly distorted when they make their way across the Atlantic. The Guardian is NOT a "notoriously lefty paper", and is actually considered by most to be one of the most unbiased publications in the country. Notoriously lefty papers here include The Mirror, The Independent and the Communist Times. Well, okay, that last one's kinda obvious.

To use an Austinism, I'm not trying to sass you here, Z, because I agree with you on how pathetic this "left/righty" deal's become. But seriously, The Guardian is not notoriously biased. I actually don't read it because it's so colourless and devoid of meaty opinion to react to.
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#12 Posted on 20.5.03 0039.39
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    Originally posted by CRZ

    Pretty sneaky of A-MOL to obscure the link by using the BBC one and not the Guardian one...of course, I shouldn't say "sneaky" because it would imply I think he has some ulterior motive and I don't know that at all. However, his choice of words in the thread title don't exactly inspire me.


Not to mention that he used "you're" instead of "your."

On a serious note, vsp, there are all sorts of places you can go for the truth. Just about any big newspaper in the U.S. (pre-emptive strike against everybody who would pile on the Jayson Blair incident to blast the N.Y. Times: yes, he made them look bad. That does not mean the Times is a bad newspaper. It can, and has, happened to lots of reputable news sources.) is usually pretty good, as are the wire services. The Washington Post is one of my favorites, and the Times is pretty good on the news side; their news analysis pieces can sometimes be head-scratchingly bad. The Wall Street Journal is outstanding on the in-depth stuff it does. If you don't read it because you're not interested in financial news, check out their news pieces sometime. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised.

Some of the British papers are good, some are notoriously biased. Your best bet for TV is CNN; they've had some issues, but they're pretty solid. MSNBC isn't bad, either.

Your best bet is to go local on issues that interest you. A lot of the time, the hometown newspaper has the best coverage and most papers are pretty solid, especially if they're a decent size. Small papers are filled with bad/green journalists and they sometimes miss things they shouldn't. Obviously, that isn't really an option on the whole issue that started this thread.

Here's one thing that bugs me, and this isn't a shot at you: Don't confuse opinion with news. Too many people get bent out of shape about the "media" when they're really pissed off at an opinion piece.

As for USA Today, it's turned itself into a pretty good newspaper. I read it regularly and I think their cover stories on each section are outstanding. I do get a little frustrated sometimes with their lack of depth in their other stories, but the long stuff they do matches up with anybody.
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#13 Posted on 20.5.03 1227.29
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Read the Wall Street Journal. Yes, I'm serious.
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