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#1 Posted on 15.5.03 0802.49
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Well, now the cat's outta the bag. Click here (ABCNews.com) and you'll find the following:

According to ABC News senior investigative reporter Brian Ross this morning on Good Morning America, U.S. intelligence had identified the specific threat to the Jedawal compound in Riyadh that got car-bombed Monday, along with two other Westerner-housing facilities in the Saudi capital, killing 34, including at least 7 Americans.

U.S. officials asked the Saudis to step up security measures there, like placing machine-gun platform vehicles out front, reaction teams inside, and actuall *arming some of the compound's guards..and the Al-Sauds did nothing. They even had the nerve to trot Prince Bandar out this morning to deny that America had even asked the Saudis to beef up security there.

Ross said most of the intel came from a botched Saudi raid on the terrorists' hiding place last week (200 feet from the Jedawal compound), where all 19 or so Al-Qaeda bastards got away.

This murderous act, of course, is the fault of Al-Qaeda. But when you know they're going to kill, and you stand by and let them, that makes you an accessory to terrorism and murder.

Motherf*ckers.
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#2 Posted on 15.5.03 0802.49
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Well, now the cat's outta the bag. Click here (ABCNews.com) and you'll find the following:

According to ABC News senior investigative reporter Brian Ross this morning on Good Morning America, U.S. intelligence had identified the specific threat to the Jedawal compound in Riyadh that got car-bombed Monday, along with two other Westerner-housing facilities in the Saudi capital, killing 34, including at least 7 Americans.

U.S. officials asked the Saudis to step up security measures there, like placing machine-gun platform vehicles out front, reaction teams inside, and actuall *arming some of the compound's guards..and the Al-Sauds did nothing. They even had the nerve to trot Prince Bandar out this morning to deny that America had even asked the Saudis to beef up security there.

Ross said most of the intel came from a botched Saudi raid on the terrorists' hiding place last week (200 feet from the Jedawal compound), where all 19 or so Al-Qaeda bastards got away.

This murderous act, of course, is the fault of Al-Qaeda. But when you know they're going to kill, and you stand by and let them, that makes you an accessory to terrorism and murder.

Motherf*ckers.
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#3 Posted on 15.5.03 0805.34
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Yesm they should have done something. Does that reasoning also apply to here?
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#4 Posted on 15.5.03 0806.36
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You mean Saudi Arabia explicitly supports terrorism? I'm shocked! I thought Dubya said they were our "allies in peace"?

EDIT: You know what's creepy? I searched Google for confirmation of that horrible Saudi PR commercial they ran after 9/11 and I found myself talking about it. Twice.

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 15.5.03 0916)

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 15.5.03 0916)
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#5 Posted on 15.5.03 0807.24
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How long has it taken you to realise the Saudi's ain't the greatest at keeping Al Qaeda in check? Some might say that high up Saudi's support them, but that would get in the way of certain interests and hey, isn't Saddam a shifty bloke...
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#6 Posted on 15.5.03 0812.09
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    I thought Dubya said they were our "allies in peace"?

Hey we had to have some place to base the trops for the Iraq war....NOW we can turn the guns around and take out the House of Saud.
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#7 Posted on 15.5.03 0824.45
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    NOW we can turn the guns around and take out the House of Saud.






I'm pleased to see that my long term belief is finally gaining supporters.

(edited by redsoxnation on 15.5.03 0926)
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#8 Posted on 15.5.03 0904.33
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by Grimis
      NOW we can turn the guns around and take out the House of Saud.


    I'm pleased to see that my long term belief is finally gaining supporters.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 15.5.03 0926)



It'll never happen. It should happen, and you won't see me protesting that war if it does, but it never will.
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#9 Posted on 15.5.03 1140.12
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by Grimis
      NOW we can turn the guns around and take out the House of Saud.






    I'm pleased to see that my long term belief is finally gaining supporters.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 15.5.03 0926)



*raises hand* I'll second that beleif. The Saudis have had this coming for decades.
Hell, I was against going after Iraq, but as these rat-bastards are at the heart of the Al-Qaeda problem, and have torture practices that make Saddam look positively touchy-feely by comparison, by all means let's make the *entire country* an "Empty Quarter."
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#10 Posted on 15.5.03 1230.03
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by all means let's make the *entire country* an "Empty Quarter."

Look, I've been saying for years we need to exert pressure on Saudi Arabia to kick them into the present, but invading the country with Mecca and Medina in it? Even moderate Muslims won't be able to tolerate that.
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#11 Posted on 15.5.03 1242.32
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    Originally posted by godking
    by all means let's make the *entire country* an "Empty Quarter."

    Look, I've been saying for years we need to exert pressure on Saudi Arabia to kick them into the present, but invading the country with Mecca and Medina in it? Even moderate Muslims won't be able to tolerate that.



Sorry. I was pissed. Let me clarify:

I don't beleive it's neccessary to do *any* damage to Mecca OR Medina to solve Saudi Arabia's malfunction.

The problem's in Riyadh, after all.
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#12 Posted on 15.5.03 1325.38
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I think there is a reason we have been pulling out of Saudi Arabia and moving a lot of our C&C in the area to Qatar...

The Saudis deserve the same pressure that other terrorist sponsoring nations to be sure. I think I can understand the purpose of giving them lip service, for the time being, though. People on both sides of the aisle have preached caution- that we can not spread ourselves too thin militarily. It makes little sense to sabre-rattle at all of our targets NOW, as that could result in a war that would be way out of hand. If we proceed slowly, we may be able to isolate and avoid some conflicts politically, and prevent other nations we MUST fight from gaining allies.

Bush did say that his vision was a Middle East that was thriving with Democracy. That included a Royalty-rules Saudi Arabia, I thought....
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#13 Posted on 15.5.03 1328.18
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    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      I thought Dubya said they were our "allies in peace"?

    Hey we had to have some place to base the trops for the Iraq war....NOW we can turn the guns around and take out the House of Saud.




Good luck. Your boys would get massacred. The Saudi public (and the Arab world at large) would NEVER accept an American invasion of the muslim holy land. You'd have 17 million potential suicide bombers on your hands the day you marched into Riyadh, not to mention the momentous PR coup Al-Qaeda would have upon an American invasion of the land of Mecca. Taking out the Saudi royal family would only make things much worse for America.....the Bush administration realizes this, and that's why they've been so desperate to portray the Saudi's as partners in the war on terror, despite all evidence to the contrary.
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#14 Posted on 19.5.03 1440.46
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    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      I thought Dubya said they were our "allies in peace"?

    Hey we had to have some place to base the trops for the Iraq war....NOW we can turn the guns around and take out the House of Saud.



Not while there's a Bush in the White House.
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#15 Posted on 19.5.03 1507.27
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Look, I've been saying for years we need to exert pressure on Saudi Arabia to kick them into the present, but invading the country with Mecca and Medina in it? Even moderate Muslims won't be able to tolerate that.

The shame is, Mecca and Medina really need to be liberated also.

Before the Sauds, Mecca was a great city. It was the center of all the Islamic and Quasi-Islamic sects. You cold find everyone there from every Islamic country doing their thing. It was kind of like an Islamic New York.

AFTER the Sauds, there was only one way to do things - the Wahabi way. They kicked out all the non-Wahabis, put the Hajj under state control, and now there's only one way to do it (with a few nominal concessions made to the Shi'ites). What a damn shame.

Wahabi Islam really needs to go. And I'd be more than happy to trade the Muslims by getting rid of the Lubavitcher Hassidid Jews (actually just the ones that think Menachem Sneerson is the messiah) and the Fundamentalist Christians in return.

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#16 Posted on 20.5.03 0220.06
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"Good luck. Your boys would get massacred. The Saudi public (and the Arab world at large) would NEVER accept an American invasion of the muslim holy land. You'd have 17 million potential suicide bombers on your hands the day you marched into Riyadh, not to mention the momentous PR coup Al-Qaeda would have upon an American invasion of the land of Mecca. Taking out the Saudi royal family would only make things much worse for America.....the Bush administration realizes this, and that's why they've been so desperate to portray the Saudi's as partners in the war on terror, despite all evidence to the contrary."

If all sanctions on Iraq are lifted, and we ever get the country up to full oil production again, we could essentially make Saudi Arabia obsolete. The only thing that keeps Saudi Arabia afloat is the money it gets for oil from countries around the world. The minute the rest of the world cancels those contracts is the minute the royal family will collapse. Actually, this could be used as a form of blackmail in order to make sure the Saudis are fighting terrorism, not aiding it.

At this point, there would really be no incentive to invade Saudi Arabia. While we would easily win, the hatred that would erupt in the Muslim world towards us would be unbearable, and would put Americans at risk for centuries to come. Right now, I think the middle east is looking just the way Bush wants it to look. Saddam is gone, Syria seems to be getting the message, and the country that refers to us as the "Great Satan" now wants to have talks again. If there was ever a time to try to push for peace in Israel, this is it. Now, if only members of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad actually wanted peace, things would be even better.
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#17 Posted on 20.5.03 0442.51
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    Originally posted by Michrome
    If all sanctions on Iraq are lifted, and we ever get the country up to full oil production again, we could essentially make Saudi Arabia obsolete. The only thing that keeps Saudi Arabia afloat is the money it gets for oil from countries around the world. The minute the rest of the world cancels those contracts is the minute the royal family will collapse. Actually, this could be used as a form of blackmail in order to make sure the Saudis are fighting terrorism, not aiding it.


Not a bad idea. I've got a sinking feeling that the street-level anger against the overt corruption of the Al-Sauds' government will lead to a revolution in Riyadh in 10 years, followed by the installation of an Islamic fundamentalist government...which is exactly what Osama bin Laden wants. (That's why I'm guessing there are official elements in Riyadh below the Sauds themselves who are doing Saudi Arabia's under-the-table dealings with terrorists, while the House of Saud tries to look like allies in the war on terror.) Said new gov't would probably welcome Al-Qaeda back openly, and start funding them with oil money.

Question is...will other oil-producing nations (I'm thinking Russia here) let us really open up the taps on the largely untapped Iraqi oil potential, driving down prices worldwide?

Criminy, dealing with the Middle East never gets any easier.
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#18 Posted on 20.5.03 1036.06
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Considering there are reports (mainly from our good friends the House of Saud) that new attacks are imminent, shouldn't the color coded alert system be raised?
Remember, this is the House of Saud that tried to destroy the American economy in the 70's with the embargo, don't put it past them to try to do it again with a couple of zealots.



edit: Ask, and ye shall receive. Only a few hours after questioning why the color code wasn't changed, they raised it. Yet another example that the Wienerboard really does control the world.

(edited by redsoxnation on 20.5.03 1136)

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#19 Posted on 20.5.03 1804.40
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"At this point, there would really be no incentive to invade Saudi Arabia. While we would easily win, the hatred that would erupt in the Muslim world towards us would be unbearable, and would put Americans at risk for centuries to come"


Is there really no way to attack/invade Saudi Arabia, and by extension, Mecca without jumping into a conflict so intense it would take several tactical nukes to get out of it without excessive losses? As for being at risk, America is already hated. This would simply force many muslims to stop putting on a fake smile when dealing with us.

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#20 Posted on 20.5.03 2302.29
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    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    Is there really no way to attack/invade Saudi Arabia, and by extension, Mecca without jumping into a conflict so intense it would take several tactical nukes to get out of it without excessive losses?

If there is a way, it's not via military force.


    As for being at risk, America is already hated. This would simply force many muslims to stop putting on a fake smile when dealing with us.
And put an America-must-be-destroyed scowl on millions of Muslim faces that didn't feel that way before. Yeah, that'll help.
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