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MightyBastard
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#1 Posted on 12.5.03 1452.38
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Seeing the 'All Time Padrs' ballot, I started chatting with some people about who would be on the all-time team for each team. We bounced back some ideas, and I thought I'd post a couple teams to see everyone's opinions. If there's enough interest, I'll try it for every team.

Here's the ground rules:
* Nine position players, 4 starters, 1 reliever, 1 manager, AL teams get a DH
* Only count the years they played for that team. Some players might end up on multiple teams
* Feel free to comment or disagree

I'll start with the Red Sox, and also handle the Yankees in another post:

C- Carlton Fisk
1B- Jimmie Foxx
2B- Bobby Doerr
SS- Joe Cronin. Johnny Pesky and Nomar Garciaparra don't have enough years, though if Nomar has 3-4 more full years I'll put him here
3B- Wade Boggs
LF- Carl Yazstremski
CF- Tris Speaker. Even with most of his career in Cleveland. DiMaggio had more games, but just a few
RF- Dwight Evans. Maybe the most underrated player in the 80's
DH- Ted Williams. I know the DH wasn't around, but Yaz was considered a better fielder

SP- Lefty Grove
SP- Roger Clemens
SP- Cy Young
SP- Smokey Joe Wood

RP- Bob Stanely.

Mgr- Joe Cronin. No one else has even come close to lasting as long as he did.

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#2 Posted on 12.5.03 1532.42
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    Originally posted by MightyBastard
    C- Carlton Fisk
    1B- Jimmie Foxx
    2B- Bobby Doerr
    SS- Joe Cronin. Johnny Pesky and Nomar Garciaparra don't have enough years, though if Nomar has 3-4 more full years I'll put him here
    3B- Wade Boggs
    LF- Carl Yazstremski
    CF- Tris Speaker. Even with most of his career in Cleveland. DiMaggio had more games, but just a few
    RF- Dwight Evans. Maybe the most underrated player in the 80's
    DH- Ted Williams. I know the DH wasn't around, but Yaz was considered a better fielder

    SP- Lefty Grove
    SP- Roger Clemens
    SP- Cy Young
    SP- Smokey Joe Wood

    RP- Bob Stanely.

    Mgr- Joe Cronin. No one else has even come close to lasting as long as he did.



Not too bad. I'd put Nomar on the all-time Sox team now. Pedro has claim to a spot on the pitchers list; maybe we can count his relief appearance (thank you, Jimy Williams) and get Bob Stanley (the man who threw the Buckner ball) out of there. Or, if one wanted to completely trash the Yanks, let's burn Roger in effigy and put Pedro in his spot.
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#3 Posted on 12.5.03 1633.56
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The Steamer?

Did you guys EVER have a bullpen?
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#4 Posted on 12.5.03 1744.31
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No Carlos Quintana??? Or Lou Merloni?
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#5 Posted on 12.5.03 1911.27
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How can you have an all-time Red Sox team without Lou Merloni? He's from Framingham, you know.
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#6 Posted on 13.5.03 0255.53
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What's sad is that between Yaz, Teddy Ballgame, and Jim Rice, none of them could field well enough that you'd trust them to move to right, let alone center.
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#7 Posted on 13.5.03 0320.05
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    Originally posted by MightyBastard
    If there's enough interest, I'll try it for every team.
How about one a week instead of five a day?

Also, a lot of these have been done before, if you look back.

(edited by CRZ on 13.5.03 0120)
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#8 Posted on 13.5.03 0321.24
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... I'd round out your starting rotation with a lefty -- Babe Ruth.

"What's sad is that between Yaz, Teddy Ballgame, and Jim Rice, none of them could field well enough that you'd trust them to move to right, let alone center."

... Yastrzemski was one of the best fielding outfielders in baseball during his career. He also played the Green Monster better than anyone before or since.
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#9 Posted on 13.5.03 1045.15
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For reliever, I'd put 'The Monster' Dick Radatz far ahead of Stanley. Mickey Mantle only went 1-55 against the old bastard.
Now, onto the all time Red Sox announce team: On radio, you have to go Ken Coleman and Joe Castiglione. And on the television side, the late great Ned Martin and the cult hero of Boston Jerry Remy. As has been stated before, going from Remy doing analysis on a broadcast to Joe Morgan doing analysis on Sunday Night Baseball is akin to removing an All Star and replacing him with a back-up Little Leaguer.
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#10 Posted on 13.5.03 1119.09
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I agree with you on the Monster. You know Jim Rice needs to be on this list somewhere. I know I will most likey get alot of shit from this but I would replace Yaz for him. I just think Rice was a better hitter in his prime than Yaz.
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#11 Posted on 13.5.03 1408.09
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    For reliever, I'd put 'The Monster' Dick Radatz far ahead of Stanley. Mickey Mantle only went 1-55 against the old bastard.
    Now, onto the all time Red Sox announce team: On radio, you have to go Ken Coleman and Joe Castiglione. And on the television side, the late great Ned Martin and the cult hero of Boston Jerry Remy. As has been stated before, going from Remy doing analysis on a broadcast to Joe Morgan doing analysis on Sunday Night Baseball is akin to removing an All Star and replacing him with a back-up Little Leaguer.



For a Hall of Fame second baseman, Morgan really is terrible on commentary. And what the hell is up with Jon "Skullet" Miller and his recent fixation which speaking Spanish?
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#12 Posted on 13.5.03 1454.39
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    No Carlos Quintana??? Or Lou Merloni?









Don't insult the Q by placing him in the same category as 'I'm from Framingham.' If not for the controversial car accident in Venezuela, the Q would have been the first baseman of the 90's, and Mo Vaughn would have been put out to pasture long ago.
Also, the category of catcher has to come into question. While Fisk was a Hall of Fame catcher, he still had one person who did more than him at that position. Yes, the last man to hit over .400 in a full season in the majors, Roger LaFrancois in 1982. True, he had only 10 at bats, but he was on the roster for the full season, and was the last man to hit .400 over the course of a full season.
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#13 Posted on 13.5.03 1459.31
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    Originally posted by calvinh0560
    I agree with you on the Monster. You know Jim Rice needs to be on this list somewhere. I know I will most likey get alot of shit from this but I would replace Yaz for him. I just think Rice was a better hitter in his prime than Yaz.

I'm with you. Rice was one hell of a hitter and just a solid member of the Sox. He definately needs to be on the list.
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#14 Posted on 14.5.03 0231.42
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Re: Rice or Yaz ...

It's a tough decision. Do you want the guy with the higher power numbers (Rice), or the guy who hit consistently for a longer career (Yaz)? I'd give the nod to Yaz, because I thought he was better defensively than Rice.

But Rice was a hell of a player. His 1978 season was one of the best one-man shows of hitting I've ever seen.
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#15 Posted on 14.5.03 0821.28
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by MightyBastard
      If there's enough interest, I'll try it for every team.
    How about one a week instead of five a day?

    Also, a lot of these have been done before, if you look back.

    (edited by CRZ on 13.5.03 0120)



Another thing - Rob Neyer just wrote a new book with this exact premise. The Big Book of Baseball Lineups. It's really quite good as he explores each team's history with best team, worst team, and other interesting stories. Well worth the price.
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#16 Posted on 15.5.03 0152.19
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Your SS could very well be Vern Stephens and I think you should look him up.

OF? How about Jackie Jensen?
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#17 Posted on 15.5.03 1041.26
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Vern Stephens (baseball-reference.com) While he had a couple of great years with Boston you can't realy put him on an ALL RED SOX team.

Jackie Jensen (baseball-reference.com)

No way is he going to replace Yaz, Rice, Ted, or Evans. And did not play Centerfield after his first season with Boston.
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