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#1 Posted on 6.5.03 1510.52
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Two years ago, the congressional district lines were redrawn from census information. Usually, this happens every ten years. However, Tom Delay is urging those states with newfound Republican majorities in the state Houses to, uh, speed things up a bit.

In Texas:

Texas House Republicans on Monday unveiled a new redistricting map that would give the GOP a majority in the state's congressional delegation at the expense of white Democratic incumbents. ... Republicans said the overall map would result in a 20-12 Republican majority and would reflect statewide voting patterns. The delegation now has a 17-15 Democratic majority.

In Colorado:

A bill to be introduced today will shift the lines of five of Colorado's seven districts, most notably shoring up U.S. Rep. Bob Beauprez in District 7, which the Republican won by a razor-thin margin last November. The effort would shrink what had been months of debate and public testimony into the legislature's final three days.

(SIDENOTE: The bill has since passed.)

I'm trying to find a good link to detail what's happening in Georgia (IE, more or less the same thing but at an earlier stage).

Dirty politics from the Republican party? My word.
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#2 Posted on 6.5.03 1535.28
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The Texas case was sent back to the state after the courts declared the old Democratic districts to be unconstitutional.

Incidentally, I don't want to here it: look at this clusterfuck
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#3 Posted on 6.5.03 1546.11
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Are those fjords, or district boundary lines, Grimis?

I dont consider redrawing congressional districts so that state would be more in line with it's actual voting patterns gerrymandering. And if more people are living in urban areas, why NOT dilute some of the importance of cities when it comes to districts? Makes sense to me...

While attacking Republicans for this, did it ever occur to you that the districts were screwed up in the first place, and SOMETHING needed to be done?

I will say that an independant agency should be in charge of drawing district lines- maybe something created in the Judicial Branch... to avoid all of this petty garbage...

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#4 Posted on 6.5.03 1558.39
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Jeez guys, the drawing of congressional boundaries is expressly political. You're SUPPOSED to draw them based on political considerations. There is no "fair" or "unfair." It's just pure, unadultarated power politics, and that's OK.

And if more people are living in urban areas, why NOT dilute some of the importance of cities when it comes to districts? Makes sense to me...

Uh, not me, but maybe I'm missing your point here. Could you elaborate?
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#5 Posted on 6.5.03 1602.49
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Perhaps I should have said "sub-urban." I consider urban to be areas outside of major cities. If more people are moving out of Houston, for example, in favor of suburban communities outside of the city, it makes sense to me to de-emphasize the importance of cities in districting. The power, in this case, should be proportionate to how many people are in the area, not rest soly in the areas of historical population gluts....

That being said, the way the system is, I agree about the pure-power-politics of districting. It is not fair, but it has been this way throughout our history.

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#6 Posted on 6.5.03 1755.39
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Gerrymandering is done by both sides. The goal is simple: Once you have a position in the House, you try to make it a lifetime position so that you never have to get a job in the DPS (Dreaded Private Sector). This is why the number of closely contested House seats are generally minimal, unless the party in control has really pissed people off or if they have done an extremely poor job in getting the districts set up to ensure an easy victory.
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#7 Posted on 6.5.03 1756.45
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The return of gerrymandering? Uh, gerrymandering never went away. It's a fact of life of politics, and both parties participate, as MoeGates pointed out. I don't think there is a state left that doesn't at least have a few messed up districts, as far as weird lines.
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#8 Posted on 6.5.03 2017.40
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    Originally posted by ges7184
    The return of gerrymandering? Uh, gerrymandering never went away. It's a fact of life of politics, and both parties participate, as MoeGates pointed out. I don't think there is a state left that doesn't at least have a few messed up districts, as far as weird lines.


Oh puhleeze, mister partypooper. I suppose youre also gonna tell us that politicians are inlfuenced by wealthy lobbyists, right. . .
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#9 Posted on 7.5.03 0607.16
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Are those fjords, or district boundary lines, Grimis?

Those are congressional districts. I live in 3; the yellow one that looks like a lobster.

There is still a lawsuit in the works about the constitutionality of the district. The Court of Appeals actuall overturned Glendening's state legislative districts and instituted its own plan that helped bring down the Speaker of the House.
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#10 Posted on 7.5.03 2154.25
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The way I see it is this:

If it's in your favor, it's restructuring weird districts.

If it's not, it's gerrymandering.

Either way, it's not going to go away any time soon.
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