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#1 Posted on 1.5.03 1356.10
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#2 Posted on 1.5.03 1416.05
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"The number of terrorist attacks dropped to 199 in 2002 from 355 the previous year."

Who says we are not winning the war on terror?
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#3 Posted on 1.5.03 1417.09
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I thought the Canadians were the ones arresting people for thought crimes...
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#4 Posted on 1.5.03 1434.53
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I feel like posting that quote from Ben Franklin about liberties and safety... To be safe, we need more freedoms, not less!

Enjoying living in yer police state Americans?
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#5 Posted on 1.5.03 1444.03
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    Originally posted by StampedeFan23
    I feel like posting that quote from Ben Franklin about liberties and safety... To be safe, we need more freedoms, not less!

    Enjoying living in yer police state Americans?




I'll enjoy it a lot more when the terrorists can't waltz into your country and then sneak into mine.
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#6 Posted on 1.5.03 1449.45
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I guess if the US were offering to pay for the additional police force, or maybe if Canada didn't actually elect it's policy makers then I could get behind us leaning on them. Besides that though, the Canadians can do whatever the hell they want. One of the bonuses of being your own nation.

-Jag

And I definately wouldn't support putting economic or military pressure on them, but that's just me.
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#7 Posted on 1.5.03 1458.15
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Besides that though, the Canadians can do whatever the hell they want. One of the bonuses of being your own nation.

    -Jag



Funny how that argument seems to hold true for every nation EXCEPT the United States.

We here are expected to crawl to the UN and ask permission every time we want to build a highway.
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#8 Posted on 1.5.03 1500.02
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If the highway's in Iraq, yes.
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#9 Posted on 1.5.03 1508.37
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Bwuh? We go crawling to the UN for our domestic policy? Wow. No wonder our highways are so bad.

-Jag

Or maybe it's just because Bush is building himself a private swimming pool instead of filling in the potholes.
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#10 Posted on 1.5.03 1823.29
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    Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle

      Originally posted by StampedeFan23
      I feel like posting that quote from Ben Franklin about liberties and safety... To be safe, we need more freedoms, not less!

      Enjoying living in yer police state Americans?




    I'll enjoy it a lot more when the terrorists can't waltz into your country and then sneak into mine.




Yes, because we all know how the 9/11 hijackers came into the United States from Canada, right?

Oh, my bad. It turns out they entered the country legally, through American points of entry. And then posthumously were granted an extension on their travel visas after they had toppled the twin towers and killed 2000 people.

But it's so much easier to scapegoat Canada rather than accept that it was YOUR country's idiotic bumbling that allowed 9/11 to happen, isn't it?

Idiot.
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#11 Posted on 1.5.03 1841.57
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    Originally posted by -proletarian-

      Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle

        Originally posted by StampedeFan23
        I feel like posting that quote from Ben Franklin about liberties and safety... To be safe, we need more freedoms, not less!

        Enjoying living in yer police state Americans?




      I'll enjoy it a lot more when the terrorists can't waltz into your country and then sneak into mine.




    Yes, because we all know how the 9/11 hijackers came into the United States from Canada, right?

    Oh, my bad. It turns out they entered the country legally, through American points of entry. And then posthumously were granted an extension on their travel visas after they had toppled the twin towers and killed 2000 people.

    But it's so much easier to scapegoat Canada rather than accept that it was YOUR country's idiotic bumbling that allowed 9/11 to happen, isn't it?

    Idiot.



I *SO* do not want to feed the trolls, but 9/11 was as much America's fault as anyone else's...but that doesn't mean we should blame 'em. It's like blaming a rape victim and saying they "deserved it". Nobody deserves what happened.

As for Canada, we're run by crazy liberals elected by the French [Quebec] and people living in Ontario. Almost everyone else in the country votes for somebody else, but due to crazy votesplitting amongst the other parties [like the Alliance, the PC and the NDP]. Civil liberties are AWESOME...but more has to be done to protect Canadian citizens. Heck, I say we combine the military and prison budgets and force prisoners to serve their sentences as part of the Canadian Armed Forces. That way, we'd actually HAVE a military.

[Note: I am aware that Canada does, indeed, have a military. That was a joke.]
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#12 Posted on 1.5.03 2133.53
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    If the highway's in Iraq, yes.


What makes the UN a more legitimate authority than the Coalition, which physically controls the country? It's just a matter of whose interests are served, here; the UN has ZERO moral legitimacy.

Edit: And to heck with Canada. I'll take the First Amendment over "hate speech" laws any day.

(edited by PalpatineW on 1.5.03 2234)
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#13 Posted on 1.5.03 2327.25
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"The number of terrorist attacks dropped to 199 in 2002 from 355 the previous year."

Who says we are not winning the war on terror?


It's worth noting that the drop of 156 is almost entirely due to the lowering of pipe-bomb incidents in Columbia (151 less in 2002), which surged in 2001 by over a hundred. I'll certainly grant that United States support of the Colombian government is indeed a factor in this, but pointing at a statistical anomaly correcting itself and claiming it as proof of your foreign policy's success strikes me as somewhat disingenuous.
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#14 Posted on 2.5.03 0917.16
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    Originally posted by -proletarian-

      Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle

        Originally posted by StampedeFan23
        I feel like posting that quote from Ben Franklin about liberties and safety... To be safe, we need more freedoms, not less!

        Enjoying living in yer police state Americans?




      I'll enjoy it a lot more when the terrorists can't waltz into your country and then sneak into mine.




    Yes, because we all know how the 9/11 hijackers came into the United States from Canada, right?

    Oh, my bad. It turns out they entered the country legally, through American points of entry. And then posthumously were granted an extension on their travel visas after they had toppled the twin towers and killed 2000 people.

    But it's so much easier to scapegoat Canada rather than accept that it was YOUR country's idiotic bumbling that allowed 9/11 to happen, isn't it?

    Idiot.



I love how you can take something I said and make up completely different shit to put words in mouth. No shit Sherlock, hijackers did come into our country by legal means. But we've taken steps to change that. Are you telling me that terrorists can not NOW waltz into Canada and then sneak into the US? Because that's all I said and I'm pretty goddamn sure they can. Maybe you need to calm down and watch one of the few remaining canadian hockey teams before you call people idiots. Idiot.
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#15 Posted on 2.5.03 1205.16
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Bizzle........you seem to be overlooking something; when someone crosses the border from Canada into America, they have to face AMERICAN border police in order to get in. If terrorists cross the Canadian border into America's, it's due to a failure on the AMERICANS' part, NOT ours. Our Canadian border guards are only responsible for searching/questioning people entering FROM America INTO Canada, NOT the other way around. So think about that the next time you want to deflect criticism from your country onto another.


But, again, everyone needs a scapegoat. It's human nature.
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#16 Posted on 2.5.03 1234.22
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    Originally posted by -proletarian-
    when someone crosses the border from Canada into America, they have to face AMERICAN border police in order to get in. If terrorists cross the Canadian border into America's, it's due to a failure on the AMERICANS' part, NOT ours. Our Canadian border guards are only responsible for searching/questioning people entering FROM America INTO Canada, NOT the other way around.

Not quite the menaing. The terrorists enter CANADA because of their looses restrictions. Since parts of the border are unguarded(a highly noted deficiancy in our defense) it's very easy for Canada, who seems to let the scum of the world emigrate freely into their borders wihtout question, to harbor terrorists.
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#17 Posted on 2.5.03 1252.10
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    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by -proletarian-
      when someone crosses the border from Canada into America, they have to face AMERICAN border police in order to get in. If terrorists cross the Canadian border into America's, it's due to a failure on the AMERICANS' part, NOT ours. Our Canadian border guards are only responsible for searching/questioning people entering FROM America INTO Canada, NOT the other way around.

    Not quite the menaing. The terrorists enter CANADA because of their looses restrictions. Since parts of the border are unguarded(a highly noted deficiancy in our defense) it's very easy for Canada, who seems to let the scum of the world emigrate freely into their borders wihtout question, to harbor terrorists.




"the terrorists enter CANADA because of their loose restrictions"


And you would know the in's-and-out's of our country's immigration laws how, exactly? Let me guess, CNN told you so, right?

I like how people talk about which they have no idea about, save for a few innacurate, hyperventilating media stories. Canada's immigration laws are no more lax than yours, and this whole deal about trying desperately to shift blame away from America onto Canada is pathetic.

YOUR COUNTRY FUCKED UP, AND BECAUSE OF THAT 2000 PEOPLE DIED. Deal with it.
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#18 Posted on 2.5.03 1316.15
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    The terrorists enter CANADA because of their looses restrictions. Since parts of the border are unguarded....



Good point. We need to tighten up our borders NOW. We need to do a lot more to protect our borders, north AND south to protect us from terrorists who gain accces via our neighboors. But the politicians don't want to do that because they don't want to offend the lefties and the latin voters. As if the only illegals in the country were Mexican or wanting tighter borders makes you a white guy who hates mexicans.


    Originally posted by -proletarian-
    YOUR COUNTRY FUCKED UP, AND BECAUSE OF THAT 2000 PEOPLE DIED. Deal with it.


Deal with it? DEAL WITH IT? We ARE dealing with it. Afghanistan was harboring terrorists, so we dealt with them. Iraq was aiding and harboring terrorists (among other things) and we dealt with them too. Canada makes it easy for terrorists to enter their country and it's then easy for them to get here. Do you want US to deal with YOU? Mwah hah hah! (image removed)
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#19 Posted on 2.5.03 1329.43
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    Originally posted by -proletarian-
    And you would know the in's-and-out's of our country's immigration laws how, exactly? Let me guess, CNN told you so, right?

Former diplomat says Canada's refugee law "seems designed to openly welcome potential terrorists"

By Rick Mofina
The Montreal Gazette
August 21, 2002

Canada's immigration policy is a threat to American security because the law here makes it difficult to deport asylum-seekers who are not genuine refugees, says a former Canadian ambassador.

"The security of both countries remains vulnerable to a Canadian asylum system that seems designed to openly welcome potential terrorists," James Bissett, a former ambassador, writes in a recently released report.

"Canada has introduced some far-reaching security legislation since the (Sept. 11 terrorist) attacks in the United States, but the weakest link, Canada's asylum system, has not been addressed," Bissett says in his paper titled: "Canada's Asylum System: a Threat to American Security?" That topic will be discussed in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, by a panel hosted by the Centre for Immigration Studies - an independent, non-profit research group that analyzes the impacts of immigration on the U.S.

Bissett says Canada has the most generous asylum system in the world. It has a lax pre-screening mechanism, which inevitably lets almost all claimants receive a formal hearing with free legal advice, he says.

"Moreover, once on Canadian soil few asylum-seekers are sent home, even when found not to be genuine refugees," says Bissett, an outspoken critic of Ottawa's policy.

"Canada's asylum laws would not normally be of concern to the United States, but after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, this has changed," he says.

"Although none of the terrorists came from Canada, the existence of terrorist cells there has been well documented. The warning signs were there before September 11, but few took them seriously. The threat continues today."

Bissett points to the high-profile case of Ahmed Ressam who, in December 1999, sought asylum in Canada from Algeria. Ressam never showed up for his refugee hearing, and was later arrested as he tried to drive into the U.S. from Canada with a trunkload of explosives. He planned to blow up Los Angeles International airport.

Bissett , ambassador to Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania between 1990 and 1992, was also director of Canada's Immigration Foreign Service, and the Canadian Immigration Service.
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#20 Posted on 2.5.03 1400.33
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Grimis, everything mentioned in that article could just as easily apply to any other country, and the United States is no exception. No country has a perfect method of keeping out unsavour characters, least of all yours'. I find your focus on Canada's immigration laws a little strange given that the terrorists who started this all, the hijackers of 9/11, took advantage of the American system. Not the Canadian, not Mexican, but AMERICAN immigration. And then to top it all off, they granted them an extension of their visas AFTER they had killed all those people.

But now the American system is all fixed up, right? Timely legislation has patchged up all those holes in American immigration laws so now those dastardly towelheads can't harm innocent, brave, free Americans. But that's not enough....those liberal basketcases to the north and south haven't learned "the lessons of 9/11", and continue to welcome with open arms terrorists who then use Canada as a staging point for all their ungodly terorist acts.

Don't let facts get in the way. Just because no terrorist has EVER entered into the U.S. from Canada and committed a terrorist act, and the fact that THE BOMBING OF LAX ON NEW YEARS 2000 WAS THWARTED DUE TO CANADIAN IMMIGRATION SERVICES TIPPING OFF THE AMERICANS, that's no reason not to seal the border and blame Canada now, is it?

And Bizzle, be proud man, your country has conquered 2 third world basket-cases, what an accomplishment, huh? Perhaps one day the mighty American armed forced might actually take on another country that has arms dated AFTER the 1950's? That's not likely to happen, you country is run by pussies, after all.

One is reminded of the Roman Empire at it's zenith, when it looked like Rome's legions were unstoppable and the world was at it's feet......remember what happened next? They got overconfident, over-extanded themselves and their armed forces, and subsequently collapsed. The historical paralells are really fascinating.
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