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#1 Posted on 8.2.02 0843.27
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Ok, it's time to vent my spleen yet again.

http://fyi.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teachers.ednews/02/07/plagiarism.dispute.ap/index.html

Now, I am probably somewhat biased here because I am a sometimes college teacher, but this is absolutely insane. A (expletive deleted by self-censoring) school board tells a teacher that she isn't allowed to punish students for cheating because it might hurt their delicate little egos and attempts to force her to change grades and policy. I can't decide which I find more frightening, that the school board insisted she change her policies or that parents actually had the gall to complain when their child was caught cheating.

As an aside, it was cheating. To rebut one of the parents, if you weren't sure how much you needed to rewrite, ask. There isn't a good teacher on the planet who won't appreciate you asking the question and take time out of their life to answer your question. If you don't have the courage to ask or are working on your paper at the last minute, "you pays your money and you takes your chances." (I figured some plagiarism of my own was appropriate, considering the circumstances, the fact that I can't remember the original source, and that I don't feel like trying to look it up right now, given that school boards and professional historians have said it is okay.) Either way, the end result is still that you plagiarized and that can still carry some fairly substantial penalties in the real world. Hell, it can have some pretty serious consequences in college. I distinctly recall a gentleman in my class at my alma mater being given a permanent invitation to the world after being caught a second time for academic dishonesty. He was expelled, lost his student visa, and was deported.

It really doesn't matter on whom you lay the blame, the parents or the school board; I still find the end result to be absolutely repulsive. A school district loses a caring and good teacher and the school board can rest assured that all of the students in that area have learned their lesson. "Don't worry, be happy." Cheating and academic dishonesty have no consequences. If you get caught, just complain to your mommy and daddy and they will fix it by whining to their friends about how unfair it was that their precious baby made a mistake and is being unfairly punished for it and the problem will just go away.

As a teacher, I applaud and respect her for her decision. As a parent, I can only hope that she is the type of teacher that my children get when they start school. As for the school board, may God have mercy on their souls, because they're really going to need it.



Okay, rant over. You may now resume your normally scheduled reading activities.



Tim


(edited by CRZ on 8.2.02 0806)

(edited by bash91 on 8.2.02 1259)
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#2 Posted on 8.2.02 0843.27
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Ok, it's time to vent my spleen yet again.

http://fyi.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teachers.ednews/02/07/plagiarism.dispute.ap/index.html

Now, I am probably somewhat biased here because I am a sometimes college teacher, but this is absolutely insane. A (expletive deleted by self-censoring) school board tells a teacher that she isn't allowed to punish students for cheating because it might hurt their delicate little egos and attempts to force her to change grades and policy. I can't decide which I find more frightening, that the school board insisted she change her policies or that parents actually had the gall to complain when their child was caught cheating.

As an aside, it was cheating. To rebut one of the parents, if you weren't sure how much you needed to rewrite, ask. There isn't a good teacher on the planet who won't appreciate you asking the question and take time out of their life to answer your question. If you don't have the courage to ask or are working on your paper at the last minute, "you pays your money and you takes your chances." (I figured some plagiarism of my own was appropriate, considering the circumstances, the fact that I can't remember the original source, and that I don't feel like trying to look it up right now, given that school boards and professional historians have said it is okay.) Either way, the end result is still that you plagiarized and that can still carry some fairly substantial penalties in the real world. Hell, it can have some pretty serious consequences in college. I distinctly recall a gentleman in my class at my alma mater being given a permanent invitation to the world after being caught a second time for academic dishonesty. He was expelled, lost his student visa, and was deported.

It really doesn't matter on whom you lay the blame, the parents or the school board; I still find the end result to be absolutely repulsive. A school district loses a caring and good teacher and the school board can rest assured that all of the students in that area have learned their lesson. "Don't worry, be happy." Cheating and academic dishonesty have no consequences. If you get caught, just complain to your mommy and daddy and they will fix it by whining to their friends about how unfair it was that their precious baby made a mistake and is being unfairly punished for it and the problem will just go away.

As a teacher, I applaud and respect her for her decision. As a parent, I can only hope that she is the type of teacher that my children get when they start school. As for the school board, may God have mercy on their souls, because they're really going to need it.



Okay, rant over. You may now resume your normally scheduled reading activities.



Tim


(edited by CRZ on 8.2.02 0806)

(edited by bash91 on 8.2.02 1259)
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#3 Posted on 8.2.02 0843.27
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Ok, it's time to vent my spleen yet again.

http://fyi.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teachers.ednews/02/07/plagiarism.dispute.ap/index.html

Now, I am probably somewhat biased here because I am a sometimes college teacher, but this is absolutely insane. A (expletive deleted by self-censoring) school board tells a teacher that she isn't allowed to punish students for cheating because it might hurt their delicate little egos and attempts to force her to change grades and policy. I can't decide which I find more frightening, that the school board insisted she change her policies or that parents actually had the gall to complain when their child was caught cheating.

As an aside, it was cheating. To rebut one of the parents, if you weren't sure how much you needed to rewrite, ask. There isn't a good teacher on the planet who won't appreciate you asking the question and take time out of their life to answer your question. If you don't have the courage to ask or are working on your paper at the last minute, "you pays your money and you takes your chances." (I figured some plagiarism of my own was appropriate, considering the circumstances, the fact that I can't remember the original source, and that I don't feel like trying to look it up right now, given that school boards and professional historians have said it is okay.) Either way, the end result is still that you plagiarized and that can still carry some fairly substantial penalties in the real world. Hell, it can have some pretty serious consequences in college. I distinctly recall a gentleman in my class at my alma mater being given a permanent invitation to the world after being caught a second time for academic dishonesty. He was expelled, lost his student visa, and was deported.

It really doesn't matter on whom you lay the blame, the parents or the school board; I still find the end result to be absolutely repulsive. A school district loses a caring and good teacher and the school board can rest assured that all of the students in that area have learned their lesson. "Don't worry, be happy." Cheating and academic dishonesty have no consequences. If you get caught, just complain to your mommy and daddy and they will fix it by whining to their friends about how unfair it was that their precious baby made a mistake and is being unfairly punished for it and the problem will just go away.

As a teacher, I applaud and respect her for her decision. As a parent, I can only hope that she is the type of teacher that my children get when they start school. As for the school board, may God have mercy on their souls, because they're really going to need it.



Okay, rant over. You may now resume your normally scheduled reading activities.



Tim


(edited by CRZ on 8.2.02 0806)

(edited by bash91 on 8.2.02 1259)
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#4 Posted on 8.2.02 1111.21
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My Mom taught for 30 years and if she would read this her head would explode. But stuff like this is why she retired and is still not teaching. Thats makes me sick.

When I cheated in high school, not only did I get a zero but I got detention or Suspended. Now they get partial credit? For what? Knowing how to use Google?

I hope that teacher finds another job somewhere she can be appreciate. There are not enough teachers like her anymore.

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