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#1 Posted on 11.4.03 1450.29
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Goldberg…Goldberg…Goldberg



I am happy Goldberg has finally made his debut in the WWE. For those of you who weren’t watching WCW back in 1998, you may not recognize him. 1998 was the year that WCW received it’s best ratings. During that time Goldberg extended his winning record to 175-0. This was one of the biggest winning streaks in modern day wrestling. In 1998 Goldberg won second place in the PWI awards for Wrestler of the Year and Most Popular Wrestler of the Year. The only wrestler ahead of him was Stone Cold Steve Austin. Everyone dreamed about seeing these two face off, but it wasn’t meant to be. I’m going to shoot down all his critics so we can enjoy seeing the man back in action.

Goldberg lacks a passion for wrestling.

Goldberg has a passion for entertaining. Even if wrestling isn’t his favorite sport; So what? He is still going to work his ass off. The Rock would rather be a movie star than a wrestler. Chris Jericho would rather be a rock star. Do these outside interests diminish there wrestling skills? I don’t think so. Goldberg’s first love was football and he failed at that. However he is a natural athlete who succeeded in wrestling. What he lacks in passion he makes up for with intensity.

Goldberg’s contract is unfair. He is overpaid.

Columnists on the internet are so upset about the amount of money Goldberg gets you’d think the money was coming directly out of their pockets. Relax guys. IT’S NOT YOUR MONEY! Vince McMahon is a billionaire, or at least a millionaire. He wouldn’t spend all this money unless he could afford it. Goldberg is a good business man. He took as much money as he could get. Anyone else would do the same in his situation. He wasn’t going to bow down and agree to be paid in shekels. We live in a free market society. The reason he is paid in the millions is because he is worth it. He was making millions in WCW and millions in Japan. He knows how much he is worth and isn’t going to accept anything less. If you don’t like entertainers negotiating lucrative contracts then stop watching Friends, Seinfeld, the Sopranoes, and every Adam Sandler movie. The only show left that you’ll be able to watch is the Real World on MTV.

Goldberg will only work a part-time schedule.

So what if Goldberg works a part-time schedule? So does the Rock, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, and Shawn Michaels. They all get the star treatment because they are all big stars. By working fewer dates they can stay healthy for the PPVs when it really counts. These days more companies are offering flex-time hours to their employees. It is no longer necessary for everyone to work 60 hour weeks. It’s about time the WWE joined the rest of America.

Goldberg causes serious injuries.

It is true that Bret Hart received a concussion off a Goldberg superkick. But, it wasn’t the career ending injury it was made out to be. Thanks to incompetent WCW “doctors” Bret continued wrestling for three weeks after his injury. This wasn’t his first concussion either. The damage he did to himself by taking bumps with a concussion is what put him out of wrestling. Goldberg isn’t the only wrestler who has injured his opponent. Kurt Angle broke Bob Holly’s arm with a moonsault. Chris Benoit didn’t get the “Canadian Crippler” nickname by being gentle. Injuries are part of wrestling and they happen to everybody.

Goldberg will fail just like Scott Steiner.

Goldberg is not the same as Scott Steiner. Steiner was never a huge babyface while Goldberg was. The WWE took Steiner who was a great monster heel in WCW and turned him into a pussy. Goldberg is a lot more mobile than Steiner. In Goldberg’s first match he was doing dropkicks and backflips. Goldberg is deceptively quick and agile for a guy his size similar to Rhyno and Bubba Ray Dudley. He is not the slow and plodding Scott Steiner.

Goldberg has only three moves.

It is true that his main moveset consists of three moves, but he has shown he is capable of more. His finisher is the jackhammer. This is one of the best finishers ever. It is a regular suplex turned into a mid-air powerslam. It has such a high degree of difficulty that nobody else in the WWE can do it. (Billy Gunn used to execute this move years ago as a set-up move. But Billy was a better wrestler than he got credit for.) His secondary move is the spear. Goldberg was the first wrestler to use the spear. It is a version of a tackle he used when he played football. This move has been copied many times by Rhyno and Edge. The first to copy it was Shane McMahon. Goldberg’s superkick is the move that took out Bret Hart.

His other moves that I’ve seen him use are a leg grapevine submission, powerslam, gorilla press slam, a gorilla press turned into a fall forward slam, clothesline, spinning neckbreaker, sidewalk slam, reverse pump-handle slam, super hip-toss (ala The Big Show), etc. Sounds like more than three moves to me.

Goldberg hasn’t had any good matches.

I can name five matches real quick that were very good.

1. Goldberg vs. DDP – 10/98
2. Goldberg vs. Hollywood Hogan – 7/98
3. Goldberg vs. Raven – 4/98
4. Goldberg vs. Saturn – 4/98
5. Goldberg vs. NWO - Battle Royal – 8/98. (The end came when Goldberg pinned the Giant after a jackhammer. If you thought Lesnar’s F5 on the Big Show was impressive, you should’ve seen Goldberg hit the jackhammer.)

Goldberg has a big ego. He won’t job to anyone.

So what? Everyone in wrestling has an ego. Granted Kurt Angle and the Rock have been good at putting people over, but everyone else looks after themselves. Triple H isn’t the only one with a massive ego. Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, and Ric Flair have all refused to job in the past. Once a wrestler gets to the top he does everything in his power to stay there. There is nothing wrong with having an ego. I have a big-time ego which is why I can’t get a job writing for a major wrestling site. (See the bottom section for more information.)

So, is Goldberg this modern-day Moses who will lead the WWE to the promised land? Well Moses spent 40 years in exile while Goldberg spent 2. Moses spent that time living in the desert off manna while Goldberg lived off a multi-million dollar contract.

So no, I’m NOT saying Goldberg is the messiah, but I AM willing to give him a chance. I haven’t bought a Backlash PPV since 2000. However with Goldberg vs. the Rock as the main event I can tell you one thing; the WWE is getting my 30 bucks.

(Edit: Damn, I just found out that Backlash costs 40 bucks. They must have raised the prices while I wasn’t looking at my cable bill. Screw it, they still get my 40 bucks because I have GOT to see Goldberg wrestle. And I’ll pay another 40 bucks if I can see Goldberg take Triple H’s title in June.)

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Me and My Own Big Ego



(Edited out comments complaining about another website. They make me seem petty and immature. Granted, I am petty and immature, but still. I should keep the columns focus on Goldberg and not waste time talking about myself.)

(edited by skorpio17 on 11.4.03 1741)
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#2 Posted on 11.4.03 1631.55
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Well, your arguments seem to basically boil down to "other people do those bad things too." But:

1. Maybe Person X does one of these things and Person Y does another of these things, but no one else does all seven of them at once
2. Maybe other people shouldn't be doing those bad things either

So I don't think the logic you use holds up. The logical argument for Goldberg is:

People are excited to see him
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#3 Posted on 11.4.03 1949.24
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The logic I'm using is that the bad things mentioned aren't really bad at all.

Who cares if Goldberg is overpaid or wants to act in movies or wants to wrestle part-time? That is all irrelevant.

Regarding moveset and match quality; I just don't think they his moveset is too limited and I don't think his match quality is that bad.

The only real things that would qualify as bad are injuring people and holding back talent. I'm not for punishing him for a one-time injury to Bret Hart. If he does it again, then they can punish him.

Regarding an ego: the fear most people have is the Goldberg will develop a Triple H sized ego. Even if this happens I don't see it as a bad thing. It would be good if another wrestler on the Raw roster gets enough backstage pull to keep Triple H honest. The Rock and Austin won't be around much longer to hold Triple H in check. A balance of backstage power would be a good thing.
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#4 Posted on 12.4.03 1458.50
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    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Chris Benoit didn’t get the “Canadian Crippler” nickname by being gentle.


No, he got it because Sabu fucked up on a move and landed on his head.

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#5 Posted on 12.4.03 1746.55
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It has such a high degree of difficulty that nobody else in the WWE can do it.

Granted, I know nothing about the actual art of wrestling, but I just don't believe this.

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#6 Posted on 12.4.03 1756.13
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    Originally posted by skorpio17

    Goldberg…Goldberg…Goldberg



    (Billy Gunn used to execute this move years ago as a set-up move. But Billy was a better wrestler than he got credit for.)



I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until this statement. Then you lost all credibility.
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#7 Posted on 12.4.03 1803.12
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    Originally posted by jerniebert

      Originally posted by skorpio17

      Goldberg…Goldberg…Goldberg



      (Billy Gunn used to execute this move years ago as a set-up move. But Billy was a better wrestler than he got credit for.)



    I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until this statement. Then you lost all credibility.



This is the only time you will ever see Billy Gunn being used as a yardstick for wrestling aptitude.
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#8 Posted on 12.4.03 1948.42
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Funny that you would say that the jackhammer is an extremely difficult move to pull off. I am not a wrestler. Neither are my friends. I cant tell you how many times ive had the jackhammer done to me and doone it to other people. It's a very easy move to pull off, nothing complicated at all.
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#9 Posted on 13.4.03 0606.06
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    Originally posted by jerniebert

      Originally posted by skorpio17

      Goldberg…Goldberg…Goldberg



      (Billy Gunn used to execute this move years ago as a set-up move. But Billy was a better wrestler than he got credit for.)



    I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until this statement. Then you lost all credibility.



Besides, it's still incorrect. Dean Malenko was doing the move in the early 90s. Goldberg even admits it.

And the spear is nowhere near remotely new. It just wasn't pushed as a special move until Goldberg used it as a set-up.
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#10 Posted on 13.4.03 1657.41
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I apologize if I don't have the credibility of a Willie the Worker, but I'm just a common wrestling fan.

I'm not surprised that Malenko has done the jackhammer. He has 1,000 moves and can't get a crowd reaction out of any of them. I'd like to see Malenko try to jackhammer the Big Show.

The jackhammer is an impressive move. Althought it is possible that they could, I haven't seen anyone currently in the WWE actually use the jackhammer.

As for the spear, Goldberg made that move into something special. Before him guys may have used it, but it was no big deal. After Goldberg made it popular, many guys started using it as a big move.

Regarding Billy Gunn. Billy Gunn started out as an IWC favorite. He had a cool moveset: jackhammer, stinger splash, press slam, spike piledriver, and a famasser/rocker dropper. He played a big role in the Attitude era as an important member of DX. He was half of one of the best tag teams in WWF history, the New Age Outlaws. And when he won the 1999 KotR, he pulled a good match out of X-Pac.

His career went downhill ever since. A low point was when he got injured in a table match against the Dudleys. The IWC didn't turn against him until he started dropping Benoit on his head.

I was never part of the IWC crowd that turns on wrestlers once they acheive success. So, I didn't turn on him until he was in that gay tag team with Chuck.

I'll exonerate Benoit for Sabu's injury. That is the only point I'll concede. As much as I like all this attention, it would be nice if at least ONE Goldberg fan would reply. I know I can't be the only one excited to see him wrestle again.
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#11 Posted on 13.4.03 2026.36
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I'm not exactly a "Goldberg Fan". I didn't mind his run in WCW at all, and I think he's a fair worker. That said, I am excited to see him again, but probably not as much as you are given your post. I think he has a decent moveset, he's crisp and clean most of the time, and he has very good charisma (mic skills are an entirely different story...).

I have a few problems with him, but most are forgivable if he puts on a good show, which he does more often than not.

As for the Spear and the Jackhammer. Eh. Goldberg certainly wasn't the first to do either. He makes them look pretty good, but visually, unless it's a particularily difficult situation, I find them to be just as impressive as a powerbomb or a chokeslam, but no more really. Nor does the Jackhammer appear to have a whole lot higher degree of dificulty than any other powerslam. While we're on that case, Jim Duggan was using a football tackle as his finisher in the 80s, so Goldberg's not exactly on the cutting edge there either. Hooooo!

Again, I like the guy, it's nice to see him back. But, I don't necessarily think he's worthy of the praise you're lavishing on him.
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#12 Posted on 14.4.03 0214.36
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Scorpio, you do have some good points, like the moveset (jackhammer might be easy but it looks impressive, injuries, and others..however..

Goldberg isn't paid with my money? Cos Vince is a bil/millionaire?
Dude..who MADE him that rich? Who pays the salaries?
THe reason WWE has alot of cash is because we spend money on them. The reason they can afford to pay giant salaries is because direct or indirectly we pay them lots of money by watching their shows, buying their products.

Comparing Rock and Jericho to Goldberg as it comes to putting wrestling second doesn't make sense.
Rock has wrestled for years, put his heart in it, and now might move away to become a movie star. yet during his full time wrestling years did he shrug and say he could just as well do without it. No.
Jericho's band is a side project. He is a wrestler full time and a singer part time.
Goldberg wrestled for 2-3 years, and shrugs it off, saying he doesn't care that much. It's very different.

And you state that he isn't Steiner, he is better. True, he might get a better reaction (Steiner got a graet reaction too btw until the match..the heat for many of his segments was great!) but saying he did backflips and such while Steiner didn't is crazy. Steiner did fucking moonsaults in his first matches *grin*
I see you point though, yet the point that you miss is not that Goldberg and Steiner are similar in style, look or anything like that. But in the fact that Goldberg might end up like Steiner. Another flash in the pan, another big fish from the small pond who fails in the WWE sea full of sharks.
And that is why people compare the two of them.

And just like Excalibuar05, I am not a huge fan of the man. I liked him initially, the undefeated run was built well, eventually he grew boring and repetitive * yet I am looking forward to seeing him perform. I am sure he and Rock will have a decent to good match. I think he will do better than Steiner. Yet I do not expect him to be the man they want to build their federation on.

* Lemme explain: I hated that during his run he became too gimicked. He always busted his head open prior to a match, his grow halted and he did the same moves over and over, and that pose he did where he flexed during the match towards the hard-cam? It started sucking when he for some reason flicked his tongue...Goldberg himself wasn't bad, it was the gimmick that became too important and then very stale.
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#13 Posted on 15.4.03 1610.38
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    Regarding Billy Gunn. Billy Gunn started out as an IWC favorite. He had a cool moveset: jackhammer, stinger splash, press slam, spike piledriver, and a famasser/rocker dropper. He played a big role in the Attitude era as an important member of DX. He was half of one of the best tag teams in WWF history, the New Age Outlaws. And when he won the 1999 KotR, he pulled a good match out of X-Pac.

    His career went downhill ever since. A low point was when he got injured in a table match against the Dudleys. The IWC didn't turn against him until he started dropping Benoit on his head.

    I was never part of the IWC crowd that turns on wrestlers once they acheive success. So, I didn't turn on him until he was in that gay tag team with Chuck.



Are you kidding? Billy Gunn might've had cool moves, but the problem was the minute-long restholds he took in between each one. People hated him LONG before he won the King of the Ring. And I think it was X-Pac that pulled the good match out of Billy, not the other way around.

Also, the IWC turns on anyone who achieves success? What about Kurt Angle? Bret Hart? The Rock?
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#14 Posted on 15.4.03 1637.13
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Ummm... we did turn on the Rock for the past couple years... didn't you get the memo?

-Jag

Hell it was the Canadians who started booing him in the first place at WMx-8!
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#15 Posted on 15.4.03 1642.40
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Damn. I'm glad I didn't come to the defense of Goldberg. I think I got enough hate mail from coming to the defense of both Billy Gunn and Steiner to set me up for life.

I agree with you in spirit, Skorpio, but not in execution. Our attitudes are the same, but I don't think your defense of Goldberg holds water. Thankfully, with me, it doesn't have to.
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#16 Posted on 15.4.03 1851.35
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So stars shouldn't have to work house shows because they're stars and they get preferential treatment. They need to save themselves for when it really counts?

Therefore, house shows are meaningless to you, and in your WWE, they'd become meaningless to the marks and there'd be no point to go. Kinda like WCW and WWE now. Well, you've just cut off one of your main revenue streams.

I like Goldberg and hope WWE uses him right but centering your company and TV around a bunch of guys that don't work full schedules is one of the things that helped kill WCW.
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#17 Posted on 16.4.03 1522.46
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Thanks for all the extra replies…I think. I finally got an Excaliber level hit-count, even if most people disagree with what I wrote.

Excaliber: I think Hacksaw used a running clothesline coming out of a three point stance as his finisher. Goldberg does a very nice spear, where he takes out his opponents legs right after he hits them in the chest.

dMp: It still isn’t my money. This reminds me of the time I was in college. I told my professor, “You better remember, I’m paying your salary!” He didn’t appreciate that.

It’s not a direct payment. If I watch Raw, I’m not spending any money… I’m just watching a TV show. If I pay for a WWE DVD, that is all that I’m paying for. I’m not paying for the XFL, Stephanie’s boob job, or Goldberg’s salary. I’m just paying for the DVD.

I did enjoy it when he would bust his head open before the matches though.

Jeb: I’ll take that as a compliment. I liked your Billy Gunn column too.

http://wienerboard.com/thread.php/id=8878

Fuel: My main gripe was that I don’t think Goldberg should be the only one getting heat for not working house shows. Back in the day, Andre the Giant didn’t do houseshows either. You don’t have to treat everyone the same. Stars get special treatment because they are special. This is why Iverson doesn’t need to go to practice like the rest of his teamates do.

You don’t need your whole roster to work house shows. Each house show only needs one “A” list talent to appear. Pick one from the group: The Rock, Austin, Hogan, Nash, Shawn Michaels, Goldberg, Triple H, Brock Lesnar. The tickets will sell with only one big name.

I’m not for eliminating house shows, but I would do fewer of them and hold them only in arenas they can sell out. Keep the shows in the Northeast and the foreign country tours and you could dump many of the others. I’d also have special house shows in MSG with extra headliners, because I think MSG should get special treatment.

To end on a positive note, Excaliber and Fuelinjected both like Goldberg. And Jeb likes Billy Gunn and Scott Steiner. So anyone with hate mail could send some in their direction, while I go hide in the back.
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#18 Posted on 16.4.03 1541.07
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I think that MOST of the big-name stars in this day-and-age need to be working the house-shows. With so much attention on the TV shows, the performers need to be at their absolute peaks. House Shows are where you experiment with moves and psychology, to get a feel of how the crowd responds to X, Y, and Z you might be trying. They are also an excellent opportunity for two feuding guys to put of a few practice matches, to get a good feel for each other, so when their "official" match takes place, it looks that much better. I am sorry, but guys like Goldberg really NEED the house shows- especially coming into a situation where he really has not worked with most of the roster, and has not really worked at all in years. Then there is that pesky thing "learning to work the WWE style."

Andre was something different, that really is extinct in the WW nowadays. He did not do a lot of moves, he was just BIG. When your gimmick is a giant, there is really very little you need to do. Look menacing, no-sell your opponent's offense, and stagger a little after some hits on occasion to make the crowd think that the little guy has a chance. And if, heaven forbid, you needed a HUGE impact spot, you drop to a knee or fall down completely. The crowd goes wild. But then again, you do not do that very often, and it really is not something you need to work on. Guys like the Show nowadays are big, but he is expected to sell and perform moves much more than Andre ever was.
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