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#1 Posted on 26.3.03 0949.57
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A bunch of House reps with nothing better to do (including my district's rep, who'll be getting a phone call today) submitted this resolution recently. I thought it was an Onion spoof when I first read about it, but it's apparently legit.

Twenty-three of our elected representatives are so concerned that some of us aren't praying properly in a time of war that this is how they're spending their time (and our tax dollars).

I feel nauseous, and I don't think it's from my lunch.
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#2 Posted on 26.3.03 1000.15
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Why would they want the blessing of Providence? Do they think Buddy Cianci is the key to victory?
Onto the resolution, the term way to much time on some of our representatives hands is an understatement. Plus, by fasting, it would mean less produce consumed, thus less money would be spent on produce, thus hurting agriculture and other foodstuff industries. That's a good way to jumpstart the economy.
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#3 Posted on 26.3.03 1017.34
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I'd be more worried about them finding new and creative ways to waste tax dollars when they had too much time on their hands rather than this...
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#4 Posted on 26.3.03 1258.23
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The problem is that they're government, and they aren't supposed to have a moral and religous character (according to popular opinion anyway). And by making this, they are forcing their beliefs on everyone else (sorta like those peace protestors who old public ralleys voicing their displeasure when others may not want to hear their message and thoughts).

I fast on Fridays. I don't eat meat on Fridays. I gave up pop for lent. I fast on other days too. Why? For humilty and prayer, just like those government guys. Am I a fool? No, I'm a Catholic who loves God.
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#5 Posted on 26.3.03 1534.24
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I'd be more worried about them finding new and creative ways to waste tax dollars when they had too much time on their hands rather than this...


At least praying is free. (Even though I'm from the "Take it outside, churchie!" school)
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#6 Posted on 26.3.03 1549.39
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    Originally posted by vsp
    A bunch of House reps with nothing better to do (including my district's rep, who'll be getting a phone call today) submitted this resolution recently. I thought it was an Onion spoof when I first read about it, but it's apparently legit.

    Twenty-three of our elected representatives are so concerned that some of us aren't praying properly in a time of war that this is how they're spending their time (and our tax dollars).

    I feel nauseous, and I don't think it's from my lunch.



These are people who thought it was vitally important that we change the name of our side dishes because one of our oldest allies dared to not blindly follow in our footsteps.

We have elected some tragically stupid people, recently. I don't know about you, but I'm going to start bugging all the intelligent people I know to start voting (again). This is fuckin' ridiculous. It's time to stop electing people because they dress real purdy.
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#7 Posted on 26.3.03 1825.58
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    Originally Posted by Nate the Snake
    These are people who thought it was vitally important that we change the name of our side dishes because one of our oldest allies dared to not blindly follow in our footsteps.


If that was all there was to it, I would respect them. But they went much further that simply disagreeing with us. They actively tried to thwart us, and you don't do that to your ally, especiialy an ally who has buried thousands of citizens on your soil.

It is one thing to say that France does not want to send her sons to die in Iraq; it is another to tell us that we should not. Because, in the end, the world will be a safer place when Saddam is gone, and everyone, Iraqis included, will be better off.
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#8 Posted on 26.3.03 1913.53
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW

      Originally Posted by Nate the Snake
      These are people who thought it was vitally important that we change the name of our side dishes because one of our oldest allies dared to not blindly follow in our footsteps.


    If that was all there was to it, I would respect them. But they went much further that simply disagreeing with us. They actively tried to thwart us, and you don't do that to your ally, especiialy an ally who has buried thousands of citizens on your soil.



And there are people who think that changing the name of one of our side dishes is a logical and appropriate response to that.

Frighteningly, many of those people vote.
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#9 Posted on 26.3.03 1930.29
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    Originally Posted by vsp
    And there are people who think that changing the name of one of our side dishes is a logical and appropriate response to that.

    Frighteningly, many of those people vote.



I'm not so frightened by that. The average citizen, including Capitol Hill lunch ladies, has no real control over our foreign policy. They can't stick it to the French through diplomatic pressure. It's like hanging a flag in your window. It's like this silly Bald Eagle icon I have; I'm not out there carriyng a rifle, but it's my own meager way of saying "hey, I support the U.S." So renaming fries is some people's small way of getting back at the French, whom they feel have wronged us.

(edited by PalpatineW on 26.3.03 2030)
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#10 Posted on 26.3.03 2109.37
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I'm not a religious person, but I could present a very good case for religion being a part of American public life based on following the founding fathers, but that's not the point. Wouldn't it be nice if the pay of some of these politicians got reduced for wasting our money?
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#11 Posted on 26.3.03 2338.45
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    I could present a very good case for religion being a part of American public life based on following the founding fathers


You mean those crazy guys who thought that total separation of church and state was essential to a free society?

Oh, do tell.
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#12 Posted on 26.3.03 2339.18
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Hey guess what! They voted to give themselves a raise instead!

I think it's scary that I can agree with Rush Limbaugh about anything, but the fact that the politicians on capitol hill are making way more money and have better benefits and pensions than the people they've sent to die in Iraq just sickens me.

-Jag
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#13 Posted on 27.3.03 0013.35
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Hey guess what! They voted to give themselves a raise instead!

    I think it's scary that I can agree with Rush Limbaugh about anything, but the fact that the politicians on capitol hill are making way more money and have better benefits and pensions than the people they've sent to die in Iraq just sickens me.

    -Jag



Amen brother preach on! Them:Hey this country isn't fucked enough, Let's put more money in our pockets! Ted Kennedy has more money for beer and Trent Lot can now bleach his sheets!
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#14 Posted on 27.3.03 0036.08
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Not to mention the fact that not a one of them has a son or daughter fighting in Iraq.
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#15 Posted on 27.3.03 0119.25
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"You mean those crazy guys who thought that total separation of church and state was essential to a free society?

Oh, do tell."

Okay.

The constitution prohibits the government from making laws to restrict religion, or to promote a single national religion. Many scholars believe that Jefferson's "wall of seperation" letter pertained to not letting a church run the country a la the Catholic church in the middle ages, and that it had nothing to do with spirituality in the public life. The founding fathers certainly did believe that a belief in god was crucial to political prosperity.

Here are a few quotes to back that up (Note: I'm not a christian trying to preach to you, I'm just showing what I believe to be the intent of the founding fathers)

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"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments."--James Madison

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible"--President George Washington, September 17th, 1796

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations."--Patrick Henry

"I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"--Benjamin Franklin Address at the Constitutional Convention Thursday June 28, 1787

"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."--President John Adams

"The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart."--Thomas Jefferson

"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."
--President John Quincy Adams

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#16 Posted on 27.3.03 0353.27
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    If that was all there was to it, I would respect them. But they went much further that simply disagreeing with us. They actively tried to thwart us, and you don't do that to your ally, especiialy an ally who has buried thousands of citizens on your soil.


You do if it's wrong. If a good friend of yours is getting ready to get into his car when he's blind drunk, do you let him because he's your buddy, or do you say "hey, man, that's a bad idea. Give me the keys."

If the government of France thought, for whatever reasons (be they economical or ethical) that we were doing the wrong thing by invading Iraq, hell yeah they should try and get us to stop. It'd be hypocritical not to. We'd do the same thing, I can guarantee you that. Only difference is, we'd have more power to back it up.



    It is one thing to say that France does not want to send her sons to die in Iraq; it is another to tell us that we should not. Because, in the end, the world will be a safer place when Saddam is gone, and everyone, Iraqis included, will be better off.


That's highly debatable, on several fronts.

1: Our actions in this war (right or wrong) are already giving the next batch of Bin Laden wanna-bes a huge pile of ideological ammunition to use against us, and every single Iraqi death just adds to the pile, whether it's accidental or not. There are a lot of people in the Middle East who are very, very angry with what they view as America's imperialistic actions here.

2: We've already tried to fuck over the Afghanis by "forgetting" to include the aid we promised them in our budget, so why would the Iraqi people think we'd do any better for them? We're not offering to rebuild for their sake. We're doing it so that well-connected contractors can make piles more money.

3: Saddam Hussein isn't anything special, he's just another two-bit dictator in an area of the world that's got them piled up like cordwood. (And, again, he's a dictator we were happy to support when it suited us.) Dollars to donuts there'll be another one in his place before the decade's out, chances are one that we put into position ala the Taliban. I doubt they'll treat the Iraqis much better.

I'll be very, very surprised if this has any lasting effect aside from certain people making a great deal of money, and (many) other people being very, very dead.
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#17 Posted on 27.3.03 1408.13
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    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    Not to mention the fact that not a one of them has a son or daughter fighting in Iraq.


Actually, I believe one Senator has a son serving in Iraq. But that's it.
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#18 Posted on 27.3.03 1442.08
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Senator Tim Johnson has a son serving in Afganistan.
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#19 Posted on 28.3.03 1259.36
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The House resolution passed, 346-49.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Part of me truly hopes that there is an afterlife, because wherever it is, Bill Hicks is recording one hell of an album about this kind of stuff.
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#20 Posted on 28.3.03 1653.37
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    Originally posted by vsp
    The House resolution passed, 346-49.

    Unfuckingbelievable.

    Part of me truly hopes that there is an afterlife, because wherever it is, Bill Hicks is recording one hell of an album about this kind of stuff.



Makes you wonder if he wasn't on track about that "take a Squeegee to your third eye and really see what's going on," huh?
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