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#61 Posted on 30.3.03 1209.28
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I still can't fathom the train of thought that says we are not supposed to do right today because we have done wrong in the past...

    I honestly hope that we go after EVERY nation with terrorist ties after this. One at a time...



Can't be done. Even if you drafted every single man who could serve, going after terrorist nations would break our armed forces. We're spread pretty thin already.

The goal during the 90s was to have our armed forces capable of successfully fighting two wars at once. And we are--in Afghanistan and Iraq. To even think of going into Iran (a huge country, most of it mountainous and difficult to traverse) is the same sort of arrogant foolhardiness that someone apparently fed Rumsfeld that led him to think air power could win the war in Iraq.

We see where that got us.
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#62 Posted on 30.3.03 2049.37
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    Originally posted by Jakegnosis

      Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      I honestly hope that we go after EVERY nation with terrorist ties after this. One at a time...


    That's great, but... What are Iraq's terrorist ties again?

    I thought this was about freeing the Iraqi people?


Do a little bit of research. Should take you about 5 minutes. I am not going to rehash this shit over and over again, to those who refuse to listen. Or, turn on the news. They bring up every hour or so the terrorist cells (Al Quaida and Hamas)who are troops have been engaging, or the details of Saddaams payment to suicide bombers in Palestine.

And yes, it is about feeding the Iraqi people. Sometimes, it is possible to have more than one motivation for action.
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#63 Posted on 31.3.03 0248.20
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:::That's great, but... What are Iraq's terrorist ties again?

I thought this was about freeing the Iraqi people?:::

Iraq and Al Qaeda both have qs in their name. Come on, get with the program:-)
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#64 Posted on 31.3.03 0335.13
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    And yes, it is about feeding the Iraqi people. Sometimes, it is possible to have more than one motivation for action.


You misspelled "false pretense".
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#65 Posted on 31.3.03 0419.40
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Hey, stop stealing my gimmick!
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#66 Posted on 31.3.03 0423.26
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Hey, stop stealing my gimmick!


I was just borrowing it, I swear!

Ew, wait, does that make me Buddy Landell to your Ric Flair?
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#67 Posted on 31.3.03 1632.55
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Do a little bit of research. Should take you about 5 minutes. I am not going to rehash this shit over and over again, to those who refuse to listen. Or, turn on the news. They bring up every hour or so the terrorist cells (Al Quaida and Hamas)who are troops have been engaging, or the details of Saddaams payment to suicide bombers in Palestine.

    And yes, it is about feeding the Iraqi people. Sometimes, it is possible to have more than one motivation for action.



I guess I have to begrudgingly admire the incredible amount of determined ignorance necessary to, at this point, still cling to the belief that Saddam shouldn't be taken out.
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#68 Posted on 1.4.03 0000.02
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Do a little bit of research. Should take you about 5 minutes. I am not going to rehash this shit over and over again, to those who refuse to listen. Or, turn on the news. They bring up every hour or so the terrorist cells (Al Quaida and Hamas)who are troops have been engaging, or the details of Saddaams payment to suicide bombers in Palestine.

    And yes, it is about feeding the Iraqi people. Sometimes, it is possible to have more than one motivation for action.



Yeah, the kind of research that you can do in five minutes is guaranteed to be rock solid. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but just because you see it on FOX News doesn't mean it's true.

If I recall, there were Al Qaeda in this country, too. Should we bomb the fuck out of ourselves?
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#69 Posted on 1.4.03 0024.00
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    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    If I recall, there were Al Qaeda in this country, too. Should we bomb the fuck out of ourselves?


As long as our first target is a surgical strike on the TRL studios, I'm all for it.
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#70 Posted on 1.4.03 0135.56
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To quote JR, "Mah God! Carson Daly has joined the Taliban!"

I work at a restaurant, and it's become a running gag amongst both my co-workers and some of our regular customers to use "Freedom" for every single food that includes a national name. For example, you've got Freedom Fries, Freedom (Canadian) Bacon, Freedom (English) Muffins, 64 slices of Freedom Cheese, Freedomilia Nuts, etc. Very ironic place, my restaurant.
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#71 Posted on 1.4.03 0206.07
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We don't have an issue of being spread too thin, I mean, if we wanted to end the war with Iraq tomorrow, we could, we have the firepower, but we're trying to keep structures standing, and we're trying to avoid civilian casualties at all costs (including our own boys).
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#72 Posted on 1.4.03 0738.16
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    Originally posted by Jakegnosis

      Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      Do a little bit of research. Should take you about 5 minutes. I am not going to rehash this shit over and over again, to those who refuse to listen. Or, turn on the news. They bring up every hour or so the terrorist cells (Al Quaida and Hamas)who are troops have been engaging, or the details of Saddaams payment to suicide bombers in Palestine.

      And yes, it is about feeding the Iraqi people. Sometimes, it is possible to have more than one motivation for action.



    Yeah, the kind of research that you can do in five minutes is guaranteed to be rock solid. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but just because you see it on FOX News doesn't mean it's true.

    If I recall, there were Al Qaeda in this country, too. Should we bomb the fuck out of ourselves?



The argument is not that Al Qaeda is there. The argument is that Al Qaeda is being harbored and encouraged. We don't need to bomb other countries looking for terrorists because those countries (some of them) will help us out, and use their police to find terrorist cells. We're not going to get that kind of cooperation in Iraq, or really anywhere else in the Middle East, 'cept maybe Pakistan, and for who knows how long.
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#73 Posted on 1.4.03 0809.59
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    'cept maybe Pakistan, and for who knows how long.

Yeah no kidding...it'll be fun when the Musharraf government falls and we have to go in an clean up that mess.
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#74 Posted on 1.4.03 0916.41
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    The argument is not that Al Qaeda is there. The argument is that Al Qaeda is being harbored and encouraged. We don't need to bomb other countries looking for terrorists because those countries (some of them) will help us out, and use their police to find terrorist cells. We're not going to get that kind of cooperation in Iraq, or really anywhere else in the Middle East, 'cept maybe Pakistan, and for who knows how long.


Hold up a sec here. Al Qaeda, the terrorist organization of Osama Bin Laden, who has been rather vocal about his dislike of Saddam and the Iraqi government in general, is being "harbored and encouraged" by that same government, and they're LETTING them?

Don't get me wrong, I mean, it wouldn't particularly surprise me (we've done the same thing throughout history, and so's just about any nation on earth) but it still seems a bit fishy, somehow. Of all the places in that area, why pick THAT one?
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#75 Posted on 1.4.03 1151.57
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    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
    Of all the places in that area, why pick THAT one?

Its one of the few places in the middle east that they were 100% sure that the goverment will not turn them over to the US
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#76 Posted on 1.4.03 1254.54
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So where's the evidence?

Have we captured any Al Qaeda operatives inside Iraq? Found any secret nuclear, biological, chemical Al Qaeda weapons stashes? Or any NBC weapons at all, for that matter?

The argument seems to be: "We know they're there, so sit down and shut the fuck up. Don't ask questions. the government knows what's best. We're your leaders. "

I dunno...
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#77 Posted on 1.4.03 1349.39
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Raid links Iraqi group, al-Qaeda

Oops...

EDIT: Chemical Clues Found In Northern Iraq

Oops again.

(edited by Grimis on 1.4.03 1451)
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#78 Posted on 1.4.03 1354.39
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there was no indication any of the evidence tied Ansar to Saddam Hussein as Washington has maintained.

There were indications, however, that the group has getting help from inside neighboring Iran.


The article then goes on to talk about the ties between Iran (note the "N") and a group that might have ties to Al-Queda.

Did you actually read that article, or just link based on the headline?

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#79 Posted on 1.4.03 2331.25
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    TERROR CAMP

    Claim
    Thursday 27 March, 12.59am
    US President George Bush says US troops had destroyed a terrorist camp in northern Iraq but fails to elaborate during a briefing about the progress of the Iraqi invasion. "Day by day, Saddam Hussein is losing his grip on Iraq," Bush said.

    Claim reinforced
    Sunday 30 March, 5.07pm
    More reports that allied forces secure much of north of Iraq and overrun a notorious terrorist camp alleged to be a haven for al-Qaida militants. Washington accuses the Ansar al-Islam group, believed to be behind the camp, of working to make chemical weapons with help from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network.

    Claim amplified
    Monday 31 March
    Papers report that US forces seize the chemical weapons training camp in Ansar al-Islam, in northern Iraq. Sun splashes with the story and says war justified now that Saddam Hussein's weapons of horror had been discovered. Veteran UK intelligence expert Chris Dobson says the deadly poison ricin found recently in London most likely came from the camp and was evidence of Saddam's links with terrorists intent on striking Britain.

    Admission claim never verified
    Tuesday 1 April, 1.39pm
    A US commander in the Gulf, Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, tells a news conference that troops had yet to find any banned weapons of mass destruction in captured Iraqi territory. US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld says Iraq's banned weapons are stockpiled in Baghdad and Tikrit.


    EVIDENCE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONRY

    Claim
    Monday March 31, 1.38pm
    Chemical protection suits and decontamination equipment found among a large Iraqi arms cache seized near the city of Nassiriya. "The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force seized a large weapons cache, about 40 buildings worth, containing ammunition, chemical decontamination equipment...chemical suits and unidentified artillery munitions," Brigadier General Vincent Brooks told a central command briefing in Qatar.

    Slight back-pedalling
    Monday March 31, 4pm
    British Armed Forces minister Adam Ingram forced to backtrack on claims. Queried about reports that troops had stumbled across firm evidence, he initially said: "We have discovered stocks of chemical weapons and other aspects related to nuclear, biological and chemical threats". Responding to concerned rumblings from MPs, he modified his claims to say he was referring to the discovery of protective suits left behind by Iraqi forces.

    He said: "Well, OK, certainly chemical and biological threats in terms of those particular suits.

    "He has the capability. That is why we're there in the first instance and it must remain our assessment that he has an intent to use those weapons he has," he said. The suits were dated September 2001, a date seized upon as evidence that Saddam was preparing for chemical warfare.

    He was pressed by Labour's Neil Gerrard (Walthamstow), who asked: "How many sites identified by US or UK intelligence as having stocks of chemical weapons stored have so far been inspected and what has been found?"

    Mr Ingram told him: "That type of verification is not yet available to us. I just hope you share my views on this that Saddam Hussein has been developing that capability. That was the conclusion of Hans Blix in the document he produced on March 7 ... it is only a matter of time before we find those weapons and verify accordingly."



from MediaGuardian.co.uk

Oops.
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#80 Posted on 2.4.03 0359.03
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Why do I get the idea that one of those really poorly-acted dramatizations of a cop planting evidence is in Iraq's near future?

I can see it now... Rumsfeld, or more likely one of the generals, wandering around a factory that's clearly been abandoned since the Carter administration...

*thud*
"Well, well, well, look-at-what-we-have-here. A bag, labeled Anthrax for use against innocent American puppies. Looks like Mr. Blix wasn't so thorough, har har!"
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