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| #2 Posted on 10.3.03 2215.39 Reposted on: 10.3.10 2229.01 | Kudos go to The Rock! He made Hurricane look like a million dollars. Even if Hurricane had lost the match, he was still put over very well. It just goes to show, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how both competitors look once the match is over and this match shows how it's done. That was one hell of a match! Whoever booked that match did a fantastic job!
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| #3 Posted on 10.3.03 2217.57 Reposted on: 10.3.10 2229.05 | fo sho..... funny sidenote on the HHH maven match. My eyes started to close. I look over and my boy on the couch is asleep!!!! im like wtf.... yep...Serta has nothing on HHH | Captain_12_Pack
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| #4 Posted on 10.3.03 2232.42 Reposted on: 10.3.10 2232.47 | I just couldn't help but think about how perception would have changed if Booker T was playing Hurricane's role. It would have looked like Booker T was made to look like less of a competitor--he won through interference--but, since it was Hurricane, it's okay. He looks like a million bucks.
But, by the same token, Hurricane isn't the #1 Contender for the World Championship. That's why it's different for the two wrestlers.
I still don't buy into Rocky "putting everyone over." But, this was something unexpected. I do have to give kudos to the RAW writing staff--they pulled out of the Booker T/Rocky match, and for good reasons. Both guys came out looking good. | Jakegnosis
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| #5 Posted on 10.3.03 2310.52 Reposted on: 10.3.10 2323.26 | The comparison was definitely there. Although Triple H's match was pretty good, I think, it was still a squash. A total right way/wrong way situation. | Jeff
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| #6 Posted on 10.3.03 2324.07 Reposted on: 10.3.10 2325.26 | I knew there would be a post like this tonight. Do you think the difference in the matches was maybe because the Rock is an overconfident jackass who was taking his opponent lightly while Triple H was focused and looking to make an example out of a lesser opponent? I guess big flashing character traits and a coherent story can be overlooked by those who just want to criticize. | darkmatcher
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| #7 Posted on 11.3.03 0008.07 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0010.59 | Clearly you're a Triple H defender, and hey more power to you but don't you think you're being a little hard on Rocky? Both matches were fine if you ask me and I don't understand why fans always try so hard to be so hard on some of these guys. Maybe I'm just a silly HHH hating mark or smark or whatever the f**k, but I think Rocky did a great job and the match entertained me, and that's all I'm worried about. Besides, being cocky is part of the Rock's character-if not is the basis of his character. | Excalibur05
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| #8 Posted on 11.3.03 0051.54 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0052.06 | I don't really see him saying anything against Rock...
As it is, I don't think having Maven go over HHH, even the same way Hurricane went over Rock, would have been the right way to go. There's no sense in having HHH look super weak going into Mania, especially not if he's going to put over Booker. | Mild Mannered Madman
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| #9 Posted on 11.3.03 0054.42 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0057.03 | Rock continually improves. Triple H only gets worse. There's your comparison.
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| #10 Posted on 11.3.03 0100.28 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0102.32 |
Originally posted by Excalibur05 I don't really see him saying anything against Rock...
As it is, I don't think having Maven go over HHH, even the same way Hurricane went over Rock, would have been the right way to go. There's no sense in having HHH look super weak going into Mania, especially not if he's going to put over Booker.
I don't think anyone could really justify a reason for HHH to job to Maven, but couldn't Maven have had just a tiny bit of offence within the match? A hope spot or something would've been nice. I'm not saying the match should have been as competitive as Hurricane/Rock, but as it is, it does nothing for either guy. HHH is too far up the card for it to mean anything when he squashes a lower midcarder. Maven just ends up looking like a chump who couldn't even put up a fight. And Al Snow looks like a total wuss. Compare this to Rock/Hurricane where it at least looked like Hurricane stood a chance. | Excalibur05
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| #11 Posted on 11.3.03 0103.58 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0107.39 | Hell, HHH DID tell Maven to "Keep Goin', Keep Hitting" while they were in the corner and Maven was just standing there. He missed his chance.
Yeah, he could/should have gotten in some more offense, but I don't think that HHH should be unfairly compared to Rock in this particular circumstance. | It's False
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| #12 Posted on 11.3.03 0108.45 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0109.00 | It was getting to a point where JR and the King were saying that Maven and Al Snow weren't even in Triple HGH's league. You THINK maybe they were getting buried?
Compare this to the way Rocky treats Hurricane no different than the way he'd treat someone like Austin or Chris Jericho or any other main eventer. That's the key right there, people!
While Hunter treats midcarders like they're below him and they shouldn't even be in the same ring as him, Rocky will treat any challenger (regardless of his place on the card) equally. That's why Rocky's awesome and Triple H sucks! | dMp
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| #13 Posted on 11.3.03 0329.11 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0331.08 | Yeah..I got a comparison.. The writers wrote a story where Rocky is a heel, where he is sneaky guy who can get upset because he isn't focused on the wrestling when austin walks in.
The writers wrote a story where HHH is this bad ass mofo who got his ass whooped by Booker T earlier and now wants revenge on someone he knows he can beat. Maven is that someone, the guy hasn't really shown all that much other than a drop kick in the time he has been here.
Obviously the comparison putting over oponent vs not putting over can be made. But for the story line it doesnt need to be made.. | Net Hack Slasher
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| #14 Posted on 11.3.03 0346.39 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0354.10 | I think HHH is a bum and he's showing it every week. That he can't make someone look good to save his job. Lucky for him he doesn't have to even look good himself to save his job.
Of course HHH shouldn't lose, but the set up was all set up for "underdog is having the match of his life" but just falls short of winning. The champion this time last year was able to do it, why not The Game... I'm not even asking for 50/50, he's the king of psychology, make me believe Maven has a chance. What was accomplished here, Maven came here as an being over his head, and HHH proves everyone suspecions right. That was helpful for who. We could have used the story that HHH was so mad and picked on anyone and isn't totally focused on the match and Maven surprises him by being impressive. But none of that, that might have been entertaining which HHH hasn't been in ages.
I think the Rock match with Hurricane isn't the best comparison, I'm thinking more of Angle making me (and the fans) believe Kendrick of all people had a chance of beating him.
Triple H has become such a joke, I guess he feels better when his fiances writers write him up that he's anything but a clown that he actually is
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| #15 Posted on 11.3.03 0503.33 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0518.42 |
Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher Of course HHH shouldn't lose, but the set up was all set up for "underdog is having the match of his life" but just falls short of winning.
Then again we're also supposed to believe that Booker T. is the underdog face that will have the match of HIS life to beat Triple H at the PPV.
So say Maven almost beats HHH, or even that Maven gets in a slew of credible offense. Booker T has been booked over the past several months to look alot better than Maven. So if Maven can look good against HHH, then Booker T should dominate.
That's not the story to be told here. HHH is supposed to look dominant so that it means something that Booker is able to beat him. You can't tell one story with some two bit schmuck like Maven, and then turn around and try to tell the exact same story in the main event with HHH. That doesn't work. That'd be like Artoo almost beating Darth Vader in a duel. Why would we be surprised/happy when Luke does it later?
It's the other way around in the other match. Rock is whining and crying that he's never beaten Steve Austin. He's the underdog, but on the flip side, since he's handling the position with the maturity of a five year old, we're supposed to hate him. Steve Austin is making him look worse by helping guys like Hurricane beat him. The difference is about what side of the power balance these guys are on.
Rock doesn't need ot look any tougher, he's supposed to be a whiny bitch. For HHH to affectively be able to say "Booker T shouldn't be able to beat me" he's got to be able to stick it to guys like Maven and Snow.
The reason the Angle/Kendrick match doesn't counter this arguement is because, other than against Benoit, Angle had been booked as the chickenshit underdog against Lesner. He and Heyman have used everything in their power to keep Lesner away because they know Angle'd lose, so he can afford to show a little ass when a guy like Kendrick comes along, because he's the overconfident underdog in the feud. | CANADIAN BULLDOG
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| #16 Posted on 11.3.03 0738.00 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0751.28 | I don't think there'd be nearly as much negativity surrounding HHH had simply let Maven get a bit more offense in and look like something of a threat. Was he going to win? No way. But at least make your opponent look somewhat good when they're clearly going to lose anyways. Someone needs to tell Triple H that 1989 called, and they want their WWF Superstars of Wrestling squashes back. The difference is this: next time Hurricane is on TV, whether he would have won or lost last night, the pops for him will be that much louder and his credibility will be that much more. Maven was made to look like just another jobber who will never win a title, etc. While he certainly shouldn't be anywhere near the title picture yet, the guy clearly has the right look and everything. Why bury him? | geemoney
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| #17 Posted on 11.3.03 0838.50 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0839.31 | Could someone tell me the point of Triple H squashing Maven? It doesn't make Triple H look tough, because he's beating a guy that has been in the business about 2 years and has been wrestling on Heat for months. It doesn't make Maven look good because he got no offense in. Unless they are trying to advance this "race" angle, I don't really see the point.
I read where Triple H thinks shows like TE and Confidential are exposing the business. I guess he showed us who's boss. He got to squash the head trainer and the first TE winner. What a guy. | HarleM HeAt
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| #18 Posted on 11.3.03 0923.49 Reposted on: 11.3.10 0929.05 | maybe next week he'll pedagree Mean Gene | Pool-Boy
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| #19 Posted on 11.3.03 1059.37 Reposted on: 11.3.10 1104.41 | Eh- I am no HHH fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I saw nothing wrong with last night's squash. In all of this complaining about the Maven match, people seem to forget how Booker kicked HHH's ass in the bathroom. That is the first time in a while I have really seen HHH get beat down, and damned if the timing was not right.
I am not going to be upset at all that the backlash of that (story wise) was that HHH goes berzerk and devastated poor Maven. After all, he is as close to a jobber as the WWE has right now...
This, of course, is to take NOTHING from the Rock/Hurricane match, but in all honesty, they were two totally different animals. That match was a "blow off" match for a 3 week mini feud. It was "cocky Rock" taking on someone who he thought he could beat no problem. And damned if he did not make the Hurricane look like a million bucks (he actually sold the Hurri-choke-slam, wow).
HHH, on the other hand, just wanted to beat the snot out of the first person he saw. It had nothing to do with winning or losing an easy match, it was anger. And it made sense.
I thought last night was the best I had seen HHH in a long time. It was a welcome change.
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| #20 Posted on 11.3.03 1131.41 Reposted on: 11.3.10 1132.17 | Count me as another non-HHH fan who was overall impressed with HHH last night. The match wasn't real great...he still needs less mass and some time off...but the storytelling to advance his match with Booker was excellent. This is the first "good" heel heat that HHH has had in some time.
They're walking a tightrope with this racism angle, but so far they've managed to balance it well. I'm looking forward to seeing Booker stomp on Hunter like there's no tomorrow. Something I haven't been able to say about a match involving HHH in over a year.
As for the Hurricane...loved that too. It was two different types of matches and storytelling. Of course they were going to be handled differently...just my opinion of course. |
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