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#1 Posted on 27.2.03 1004.24
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Something just to throw out into discussion. This, actually, should bolster the side of the anti-war folks lending credence to the argument that Iraq is no threat to the US or its neighbors.

Why Arabs Lose Wars
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#2 Posted on 27.2.03 1010.16
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Something just to throw out into discussion. This, actually, should bolster the side of the anti-war folks lending credence to the argument that Iraq is no threat to the US or its neighbors.

    Why Arabs Lose Wars



Interesting article, but it shouldn't really have any bearing on whether or not we go to war.

I dont think anyone honestly believes that Iraq's gonna turn round in a month or so and declare war on America. The threat to the west comes more from the potential for them to sell arms to terrorist organisations.
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#3 Posted on 27.2.03 1220.28
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    This, actually, should bolster the side of the anti-war folks lending credence to the argument that Iraq is no threat to the US or its neighbors.


I would put the opposite spin on it. The anti-war crowd seems to have some psycic ability to be able to predict how many people are going to die (lots and lots and LOTS!) and that war will drag on and on and on. This article would lead one to believe that since the Iraqis suck so bad, the war will be over shortly and with a minimum of US casualties. I know it's the Pentagon's job to cover all scenarios, and the press loves the doom and gloom worst case stories, but does anyone see these guys posing any threat? And by threat I mean the ragtag army that will stand in our way as we go after Saddam and his WMD. The WMD are the real threat, not the army that's going to surrender to CNN crews again.

(edited by Bizzle Izzle on 27.2.03 1322)
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#4 Posted on 27.2.03 1458.10
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The potential alone for "lots and lots and LOTS!" of unneccesary deaths is enough for me.
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#5 Posted on 27.2.03 1517.50
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Does anyone know where this came from, or what "strategy page" is?

I can't say anything about the claims made one way or the other, but the fact that there is no author's name, combined with the propaganda-like writing style, makes me question the degree to which these statements are accurate.

These might be valid; might not. This article has a lot of assertions with no evidence. The topic (how culture would affect militaries) is very interesting, though.

And a question (genuine)- what kind of wars have Arabs lost to non-Arabs? I can think of the Six Days War, Desert Storm, and ... that's it from my poor brain. And I've got the feeling that someone around here knows the answer a lot more quickly than if I were to research it right now

Just looking for some context,
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#6 Posted on 27.2.03 1533.29
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Post World War II. (between the fall of the Ottoman Empire and World War II is a whole other story).

Multiple Arab Countries: Against Israel - 1948, 1967, 1973.

Egypt: Against Israel, Britain, and France - 1956. Against Israel - 1970 (War of Attrition).

Iraq: Against Iran - 1980-1990. Against the world, 1991.

Libya - Against Chad (Chad!) From about 1973-1994, with the biggest period of hostilities being in the 80s.

This is just counting wars of Arabs vs. Non-Arabs. It's not even counting various Intra-Arab wars (Yemen-Oman, Morroco-Western Sahara, Jordan-PLO) or Civil wars (Algeria, Yemen, Sudan), (although the military actually did pretty good in some of those vs. the Rebels).

(edited by MoeGates on 27.2.03 1635)
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#7 Posted on 28.2.03 1356.06
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Wait, I'm confused. How does Iraq/Iran count as Arabs/Non-Arabs?

-Jag
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#8 Posted on 28.2.03 1440.40
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    Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle

    ...The anti-war crowd seems to have some psycic ability to be able to predict how many people are going to die (lots and lots and LOTS!) and that war will drag on and on and on... (edited by Bizzle Izzle on 27.2.03 1322)

Perhaps you can name a modern war in which thousands of innocent people were NOT killed. Rape and murder of civilians is a by-product of every war.

And actually, I do not think the war will be that drawn out, which is another reason why I think thousands of innocent people will be killed. The first Gulf War was very quick, and it still cost the lives of "lots and lots and LOTS" of Iraqi civillians.

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#9 Posted on 28.2.03 1657.34
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Wait, I'm confused. How does Iraq/Iran count as Arabs/Non-Arabs?

Because Iraq is an Arabic country, and Iran is not. Iranians are Persians (for the most part). They don't speak Arabic. In fact they don't even speak a Semitic language. All major languages in Iran (the most common is Farsi) are Indo-European in origin, and culturally and ethnically they have much more in common with Central Asians than Middle Easterners.

Calling Iranians "Arabs" is like calling Germans "Slavs" because they happen to share a border and a general religion (not even the same sect) with a Slavic country.
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#10 Posted on 28.2.03 1750.01
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Islamic schools favor rote memorization, especially of scripture. Most Islamic scholars are hostile to the concept of interpreting the Koran (considered the word of God as given to His prophet Mohammed).

Wait... wait. Are they talking about Islam or Southern Baptist?


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#11 Posted on 1.3.03 1257.07
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Wait, I'm confused. How does Iraq/Iran count as Arabs/Non-Arabs?

    Because Iraq is an Arabic country, and Iran is not. Iranians are Persians (for the most part). They don't speak Arabic. In fact they don't even speak a Semitic language. All major languages in Iran (the most common is Farsi) are Indo-European in origin, and culturally and ethnically they have much more in common with Central Asians than Middle Easterners.

    Calling Iranians "Arabs" is like calling Germans "Slavs" because they happen to share a border and a general religion (not even the same sect) with a Slavic country.



Thanks greatly.

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#12 Posted on 1.3.03 1713.17
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    Originally posted by Leroy

      Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle

      ...The anti-war crowd seems to have some psycic ability to be able to predict how many people are going to die (lots and lots and LOTS!) and that war will drag on and on and on... (edited by Bizzle Izzle on 27.2.03 1322)




    Perhaps you can name a modern war in which thousands of innocent people were NOT killed. Rape and murder of civilians is a by-product of every war.


    And actually, I do not think the war will be that drawn out, which is another reason why I think thousands of innocent people will be killed. The first Gulf War was very quick, and it still cost the lives of "lots and lots and LOTS" of Iraqi civillians.




I respect your opposition to the war, Leroy, but what do you think will kill more Iraqi civilians: War, or Hussein? Hussein has already killed more civilians than any military action in the Gulf.
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#13 Posted on 1.3.03 2053.25
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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Wait... wait. Are they talking about Islam or Southern Baptist?


    :)


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