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#1 Posted on 15.5.06 0429.36
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I don't think I saw a thread about this all season, so might as well start with the finale.

I'm glad Aras won. He was kind of an ass and his new-age comments made my roll my eyes, but it's been a while since one of his 'type' (athletic young guy) has won the show, ever since Ethan in S3. He was much preferable to arrogant Terry and do-nothing Danielle, though Danielle at least was one of the most stunning women they've ever cast. Cirie was the sentimental favourite, though I knew she had little, if any chance of making the final two since she would've won any vote easily.

As for next season, I'm glad they're bringing back the Exile Island twist with the extra immunity idol, since that's a great strategic element that never really got used this season due to Terry always winning individual immunity and never being slick enough to use it as a bargaining chip.
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#2 Posted on 15.5.06 0716.27
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Aras was probably the best all-around player in the final 4. Terry was great in the challenges, but awful at the strategic/social aspect of the game. Cirie was great at the strategic/social aspect of the game, but awful in the challenges. Danielle was just a pawn that happen to be left at the end. I guess you could say that she mostly made the right decisions as far as aligning herself with the right people, but that's pretty much all she had going for her.

Aras was good at both the social aspects and the physical aspects, so he was most deserving. It is to his credit (though Cirie deserves credit as well) that he could keep the alliance of misfits that he was in together until the end. He also did a good job convincing Danielle that it was to her benefit to take him to the final 2.
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#3 Posted on 15.5.06 0924.53
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    Originally posted by ges7184
    Aras was probably the best all-around player in the final 4. Terry was great in the challenges, but awful at the strategic/social aspect of the game. Cirie was great at the strategic/social aspect of the game, but awful in the challenges. Danielle was just a pawn that happen to be left at the end. I guess you could say that she mostly made the right decisions as far as aligning herself with the right people, but that's pretty much all she had going for her.


Excellent synopsis of the season right there. I can't believe I wasted 20 something hours of my life watching this stuff again.

I wanted to Terry to win since the odds were so stacked against him from early on. Aras was a pompous ass (yoga instructor?? right.) who at 24 is still mooching off his parents. Sounds like a great guy to win a million dollars.

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#4 Posted on 15.5.06 0934.35
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    ... though Danielle at least was one of the most stunning women they've ever cast.


Ew, with that teeth-to-gum ratio?

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    As for next season, I'm glad they're bringing back the Exile Island twist with the extra immunity idol, since that's a great strategic element that never really got used this season


Totally agree. One of the cool things I read -- that obviously never came into play this season -- is that once the Idol was used in Tribal Council it would be re-hidden on Exile Island and put back in play. That's cool!

Anyway, I'm glad Aras won. I ran hot and cold at him... at times he seemed to be a narcissistic psychopath and then other times he seemed like a really cool, decent guy.

The teaser for the next season (Cook Islands) totally gave me Pearl Island flashbacks. And that's a good thing.
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#5 Posted on 15.5.06 1000.52
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Ehh, I tend to disagree on a couple points here. First, I don't think we can say that Terry was horrible in the social aspect of things -- because he was never given a CHANCE with that aspect. It was always him against the world once the merge started. In the earlier episodes he was great socially with his tribe, but when it became clear that it was going to stay on tribal lines to the end, he wasn't given the opportunity to play the social game.

I'm also perplexed that I see a lot of people complimenting Cirie. One article I read stated that she was "obviously the most popular survivor." I see her more than Danielle as the one who road coat-tails to the end, and was completely undeserving. She most definitely should have been voted out on the FIRST SHOW instead of the lumberjill. She was useless at camp, useless in challenges, and useless in every way except as a vote.

As for Terry and the immunity idol, I think he missed his chance to use it but not with Danielle. I would wager his fear with Danielle was that as soon as he gave it to her in the Final Four, she would turn around and tell the other two "hey, I have it -- we can vote him out now!" So that would have been foolish of him, especially since he'd been screwed over once before with the Courtney vote. The time he SHOULD have used it was the first vote after the merge, when his tribe was down 6-4 but had Bruce wavering. If he could have solidified Bruce and given his buddy Dan the immunity idol, HIS tribe would have had a 5-4 lead with Aras gone from the other tribe. But he wasted the chance there, and only because of his run of immunity challenges was he able to survive.
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#6 Posted on 15.5.06 1214.28
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I'm also perplexed that I see a lot of people complimenting Cirie. One article I read stated that she was "obviously the most popular survivor." I see her more than Danielle as the one who road coat-tails to the end, and was completely undeserving. She most definitely should have been voted out on the FIRST SHOW instead of the lumberjill. She was useless at camp, useless in challenges, and useless in every way except as a vote


Firstly, I don't know how you can say she was useless in camp, because she was the only one who was always working. She wasn't catching food or starting fires or anything, but she was always doing the wood or the snails or whatever. It could have been the editing, but then again, nobody on the show ever seemed to question her work ethic. Plus, despite the fact that she was part of the ouster for just about everybody, she was liked by everybody in camp. Nobody there disliked her except for Terry. The fact that she continually avoided elimination despite being on the outside looking in from Episode One all the way to the final four, with hardly a vote cast against her, says that she was pretty much the queen of the social game. She was never going to win, because there was no way anybody was going to beat her in the final two.
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#7 Posted on 15.5.06 1511.53
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I'm also perplexed that I see a lot of people complimenting Cirie. One article I read stated that she was "obviously the most popular survivor." I see her more than Danielle as the one who road coat-tails to the end, and was completely undeserving. She most definitely should have been voted out on the FIRST SHOW instead of the lumberjill. She was useless at camp, useless in challenges, and useless in every way except as a vote.

    As for Terry and the immunity idol, I think he missed his chance to use it but not with Danielle. I would wager his fear with Danielle was that as soon as he gave it to her in the Final Four, she would turn around and tell the other two "hey, I have it -- we can vote him out now!" So that would have been foolish of him, especially since he'd been screwed over once before with the Courtney vote. The time he SHOULD have used it was the first vote after the merge, when his tribe was down 6-4 but had Bruce wavering. If he could have solidified Bruce and given his buddy Dan the immunity idol, HIS tribe would have had a 5-4 lead with Aras gone from the other tribe. But he wasted the chance there, and only because of his run of immunity challenges was he able to survive.


In addition to what Excalibur05 said, Cirie also seemed to be the real brains behind the operation. She maneuvered herself into the Casaya alliance (remember how she was flatout told she and Melinda were the next two out in the second episode?) ahead of Courtney and Danielle, and then she was smart enough to ouster Courtney when she was about to flip. Alliances in past Survivors break down since people become concerned about keeping their chosen 'final two' partner (usually an easily beatable scumbag) around, but Cirie sniffed onto that and ruined Terry's plan by voting out Courtney. It was a very canny move --- heck, I'd rank Cirie high on the list of Best Survivors Never to Win.

As for Terry, I'm not sure giving up the Idol at any point would've been a good move. Think about it: if you were the biggest physical threat out there, and you came into a merge down 6-4, you're not going to give up your biggest advantage in favour of maybe lasting a couple of more weeks in a still unstable alliance. Terry probably didn't want the pressure of actually being in a must-win situation in every challenge, since the II gave him some leeway. I think he made some big strategic errors, but I can't blame him for hanging onto the Idol.
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#8 Posted on 15.5.06 1547.39
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RealityNewsOnline.com actually awarded Cirie a Hall of Fame Moment (realitytvhalloffame.com) for her Triple Play Ouster of Courtney. Cirie should have been gone at the first TC but somehow managed to listen and work her way to the Final 4 - she would have won against any of the other 3 had she made it to the Final 2.

As for Terry and the hidden Immunity Idol. His only real play, other than for himself, was at the merge and when his team was down 6-4. The 2nd highest vote getter that night was Aras and if Terry had been smart enough, from a team perspective, he could have narrowed the gap to 5-4 with Bruce on the fence and a good possibility to jump at that point. Can't remember if Bruce was gone by the next TC or not due to his intestinal blockage. Otherwise, Terry had to keep it for himself right up until the end. It would have been nice to see him slip it to Danielle but he could not trust her as far as he could throw her, so he did the right thing.

As for Shane & Courtney, I can see the "Celebreality" execs over at VH1 burning up the phone lines today trying to get those 2 booked onto an edition of "The Surreal Life" and Danielle, she is destined for Maxim, Stuff or FHM.
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#9 Posted on 15.5.06 2153.20
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1) Dan was the last member of La Mina voted out when they were still split tribes. La Mina merged with Terry, Sally, Nick, and Austin.

2) Bruce left the game when it was down to seven (Terry vs. the Casaya Six).

Terry really never had an opportunity to play the HII. He had to realize that his offers of "Flip and we'll take you to the final five / four / whatever" were never going to get anywhere when the other side had the clear numbers advantage.

Cirie played the best social game since maybe Chris in Vanuatu. They were both in situations where they were the next to go home, and they knew it, and they managed to flip the game and engineer somebody else going home, and kept it going to the very end. Too bad for Cirie her end result wasn't the same as Chris', though.
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#10 Posted on 15.5.06 2244.00
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Terry should have considered offering MORE than final 5, final 4, or whatever. Terry was too team-oriented after the merge. He should have thinking in terms of alliances within alliances. Not thinking in those terms, Terry never offered anybody anything that they didn't already have. He was correct to try to identify players that were fifth and sixth on the totem pole. But you can't just offer the same place on your totem pole and expect them to switch. After the merge, it shouldn't have been about La Mina, it should have been about Team Terry from Terry's perspective. (And if he could have just switched one player, he could have gotten creative with the hidden immunity to switch up the game)
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#11 Posted on 16.5.06 1742.03
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Cirri, hands down gets my vote as SMARTEST SURVIVOR EVER, for one statement she made, which I have been saying over and over again each year. The statement was when everybody was talking about how they all needed to go along with Terry, and Cirri says "Why go along with him and just vote out whoever he wants out?"

BINGO!
Finally, somebody in the game other than Rob from AMazon, acts like they have actually SEEN THE SHOW!

As far as Danielle being "the most stunning woman ever cast" yes, I sure was STUNNED all those teeth fit into one mouth. She wasnt even the hottest, or second hottest (IMO) on this season. (Sally and Misty were better looking)
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