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#1 Posted on 12.7.02 1849.55
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I was looking some stuff on the net and stumbled across the credit list for the new Star Trek movie. (Because I wanted to check to see if that really was Gates McFadden who appeared in the Labyrinth making of picture as the choreographer)

Anyway, some interesting (or not so) factoids:

* Both Crusher and Troi now have the rank of commander.

* Ron Perlman is in it.

* Brent Spiner has a story credit.

* Admiral Janeway is in, as is Guinan, as is Dr. Leah Brahms.

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#2 Posted on 12.7.02 1948.07
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Crusher always was a Commander. Troi got promoted around the end of the show. I remember she had to send holographic Geordi to his death to get it.
Brent Spiner getting a story credit is no suprise. It seems like all the former ST actors try to become a director or some other job in their movies.
I am glad that Admiral Janeway is there. Not because I really liked Janeway she sucked but because Voyager was a kick ass ship when it made it back. Guinan is there to help explain why the Remulans (I guess that is what they are called) have been hiding for so long and why the Romulans never said anything about them. Leah Brahms is interesting but I don't really see the point. How many people know who she is? She designed the E-D and probably E-E. Maybe Geordi will finally score. I think Geordi is the only ST virgin except for Barkely who should be in the movie.
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#3 Posted on 13.7.02 0034.41
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Oh, where to begin.

Dr. Crusher held the rank of commander throughout the run of the TV show. Troi was promoted in the 7th season episode "Thine Own Self."

There are two homewords for the Romulans, Romulus and Remus, you might recognize the names from mythology. The warbird emblem of the Romulan Star Empire clutches the two planets in its talons, very easy to see on the movie poster. Whether the inhabitants of Remus call themselves something other than Romulans, I have no idea. I do know that a diagram of the Romulan Neutral Zone in the original series once identified the planet as Romii for no apparent reason.

Dr. Leah Brahms designed the engines & warp drive of the Enterprise D and, yes, probably the Enterprise E, as well. I can only theorize she's needed to solve Random Engine Problem #499211. Or maybe Geordi's getting some. W00T W00T!

If this movie tries to tell me the Federation did not know about Remus, I will walk out of the theater. I kid you not.
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#4 Posted on 13.7.02 0157.57
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Yeah clown I agree. If the Fed hasn't found out about another planet in the home system of one of their 2 biggest enemies for more than 200 years that is pushing believability. So what if there is another planet? Even if they weren't the same race one of them would have killed off or enslaved the others long ago. Don't forget that the Romulans are based of the Romans who were never nice or peaceful.
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#5 Posted on 13.7.02 0405.42
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Figures that they just had to put Janeway, a Voyager character, in there, while none of the characters from the best Star Trek series (in my view), Deep Space Nine, are in the movie.

Maybe Star Trek XI will be a DS9 movie. I'd like to believe that, but they've been dickin' over DS9 so long that I wouldn't be surprised if they did it with the Voyager crew or another with TNG.

Oh, well. When DS9 comes out on DVD, I'm there. Now can you dig that.

Sucka.
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#6 Posted on 13.7.02 1240.14
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    Originally posted by Dahak
    Yeah clown I agree. If the Fed hasn't found out about another planet in the home system of one of their 2 biggest enemies for more than 200 years that is pushing believability. So what if there is another planet? Even if they weren't the same race one of them would have killed off or enslaved the others long ago. Don't forget that the Romulans are based of the Romans who were never nice or peaceful.


It's not as much that as it is the fact that it's already been established ON AIR in the ORIGINAL SERIES 35 YEARS AGO that Remus exists.

Remus. One of the two homeworlds of the Romulan Star Empire. ("Balance of Terror" [TOS]). Mr. Spock's star chart gives this planet's name as Romii, although spoken dialog in the episode uses the name Remus. SEE: Romulus.
The Star TrekŪ Encyclopedia: A Reference Guide to the Future, Updated and Expanded Edition

It would be like when the crew on Enterprise met the Ferengi, despite the first season TNG episode "The Last Outpost" containing what was CLEARLY identified as first contact with the Ferengi. You know, there's a REASON that show doesn't have Star Trek in the title.

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#7 Posted on 13.7.02 1605.20
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Clown you can't expect continuity in a Star Trek show. The Fed didn't know about the Borg until Q sent the E-D like 10,000 LY. But in Generations the Borg were about 10 LY from Earth. The Ferengi in Enterprise is another big one. And of course the ever popular why do the Klingons look so different in TOS?
But it is crappy common sense that pisses me off. The Romulans fought Earth in a huge war which is supposed to be the 3rd season of Enterprise. From that point on until the Cardasians just appeared on TNG they were one of two major threats to the Fed. With the end of the Dominion war at the end of DS9 the Romulans were the only Alpha Quadrant power capable of beating the Fed.
Now with all that over a 200 year span is anyone supposed to believe that the Fed never bothered to check out the Romulan's home system? How fucking stupid would Starfleet have to be? Or to ask a single defector or prisoner about them? Or even worse just ask the Vulcans who are one of the 2 races that started the Fed.
The problem is that B&B boxed themselves into a corner. The Fed is too powerful to be threatened by anyone known except for the Borg and that is risky because the Borg are way to overexposed thanks to the bad writing of Voyager. Making up a new threat would be more dificult. Unless it was a huge technology difference or a new wormhole how could they explain a Empire with hundreds of planets and trillions of people that the Fed never mentioned?
So they should just have done a Enterprise meets a threat plot. Anyone could buy one ship being in trouble but the Fed with it's thousands of ships that beat the Borg twice and the Dominion is threatened by 1 planet that they always knew about. Fucking stupid especially with the weapons that Voyager bought back with them. Voyager was able to destroy an entire cube with one blast of it's weapons. So some Romulan ship would be toast.
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#8 Posted on 13.7.02 1702.14
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Let's see...
How believable is it that there is an entire alien race that resemble the Romans in every way (they have proconsuls, a Senate, an eagle for an emblem, and a twin planet named Remus)? Maybe we were visited by the Romulans millenia ago? And why the hell do we have to be so socialist-democratic in the future? What's wrong with free ENTERPRISE? And if it's so bad, why name your flagship after it? Why can't we have a nice little empire of our own?

Admiral Janeway...ugh.

Picard should be an admiral by now. Any navy's flagship has its own captain as well as a fleet admiral on board anyway.

They never explained Riker's career suicide. You can't just pass up a command and expect your career to continue. In fact, if you're passed over for a promotion twice, you're out the door.

And how are they getting Worf on board THIS time?

Besides, modern military doctrine dictates that carrier battle groups are more effective than battleships alone. That's why I find Star Wars space battles more believable...you have large warships with multiple squadrons of fighters and bombers.

I have too much time on my hands today.
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#9 Posted on 13.7.02 2159.14
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WyldeWolf I agree with you about Ryker and Picard. Hell, supposedly all the officers on Enterprise are damn good. Some of the best in the fleet. And with the ass kickin the Fed took the last 10 years with the Borg, Klingons, Borg, and Dominion they should all have gotten promoted at least once. Now I don't know how much time has passed since season 1 of TNG and the last movie. I have heard that all 7 seasons took place over 3 years but that could be wrong.
This is one of those pimp the characters so they look good but then they stay here. Just having Ryker get in trouble once would have cleared this whole problem once. Something where he loses all his seniority but keeps his rank. Or an evil Admiral keeping Ryker down. Of course that would have taken writing for the future which they only did with Worf and sometimes with Data.
There was only 2 legitimate promotions in all 7+ seasons. Worf to 1st LT then to LT Commander. And the second was done to give him rank on DS9.
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#10 Posted on 13.7.02 2342.43
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TNG took place over 7 years. So says "All Good Things."
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#11 Posted on 14.7.02 1201.29
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I would truly mark out, though, if one of the Remus leaders pulls down his robe hood, and it turns out to be Spock.
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#12 Posted on 14.7.02 1254.31
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    Originally posted by ManiacalClown
    TNG took place over 7 years. So says "All Good Things."


Damn that makes the writing even worse. I thought that might be true because Voyager took place over 7 years. So Ryker has been the best Commander in the fleet for 13 years and hasn't been promoted. Sounds like he sucks to me.
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#13 Posted on 14.7.02 1343.32
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The whole point of him not going somewhere else is because he's happy where he is.

AND, he's waiting for that Picard fellow to retire so he can have the Enterprise. Besides, something tells me at least two out of the three ships he was offered ended up as floating debris in the vicinity of Wolf 359.
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#14 Posted on 14.7.02 1548.15
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    Originally posted by ManiacalClown
    The whole point of him not going somewhere else is because he's happy where he is.

    AND, he's waiting for that Picard fellow to retire so he can have the Enterprise. Besides, something tells me at least two out of the three ships he was offered ended up as floating debris in the vicinity of Wolf 359.



true...but this is getting recockulous....it'll be like kirk and the gang, everyone will have a rank of Commander or captain.

They should just have Worf re-join the ship, because coming up with ANOTHER "hey, thanks for dropping by just in time for this crisis" is getting silly
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#15 Posted on 14.7.02 1551.29
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    Originally posted by ManiacalClown
    The whole point of him not going somewhere else is because he's happy where he is.

    AND, he's waiting for that Picard fellow to retire so he can have the Enterprise. Besides, something tells me at least two out of the three ships he was offered ended up as floating debris in the vicinity of Wolf 359.



That is what the people on the Star Trek fan group say. I have a lot of problems with it though.
First as long as Enterprise is the Flagship it won't ever go to a rookie Captain. Picard commanded 2 other ships before Enterprise. It is the frigging flagship. It goes to a Captain with a LONG and distinguished career as a plum.
Second turning down command makes you look like a bad choice as a Captain ever. If Starfleet offered Ryker a Constitution class ship he should have snatched it up.
Third it completely overlooks the fact that Starfleet would have promoted him anyway. With 4 wars in 10 years the Fed has lost hundreds of ships and is at the same time bigger than it was in season 1 of TNG. Large amounts of losses added to expansion means shitloads of promotions. Picard and Ryker would have been promoted. Hell, Data would most likely be a Captain by now. For the E to keep such a large body of excellent officers forever is unbelievable for any military force.
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#16 Posted on 14.7.02 1943.02
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I just think y'all are getting TOO nitpicky with it. It's just a TV show and movie series, after all. =)
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#17 Posted on 15.7.02 0444.07
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I dunno...cause I love all you guys and everything...been reading your posts on all the forums for about six months now and respect all your opinions...

...but damn if this isn't the geekiest thread I've ever come across! :)
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#18 Posted on 15.7.02 1030.30
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Naw, you should read what some of the comic book fanatics write. It's like they all know who drew which ink line in what special edition of an alternate storyline to an obscure character who only existed in the mind of the Wonder Twins. It's pretty freaky.
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#19 Posted on 15.7.02 1516.21
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    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    Naw, you should read what some of the comic book fanatics write. It's like they all know who drew which ink line in what special edition of an alternate storyline to an obscure character who only existed in the mind of the Wonder Twins. It's pretty freaky.


nah man, it's TRACEING, not inking.
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#20 Posted on 15.7.02 1554.03
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Yes, I'm a Star Trek geek.

But we're ALL wrestling geeks. ;)
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