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#1 Posted on 17.11.04 0341.14
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Courtesy of the Observer:

VELOCITY
- Hardcore Holly beat Spike Dudley
- Big Show beat a couple of jobbers
- Shannon Moore beat Akio
- Reigns & Jindrak beat Nunzio & Funaki

SMACKDOWN
- Cena cuts a promo about Carlito and Jesus
- Tough Enough segment: TE guys have to run from one side of the ring to the other with the Bashams in it. Nobody makes it.
- Chavo Guerrero beat Billy Kidman
- Heyman tells Heidenreich that his match at Survivor Series was a "moral victory."
- Charlie Haas beat Heidenreich by countout... Heidenreich had another mental episode here.
- RVD encounters Diva reject #1 of the night, Michelle, who according to the spoilers appears to be his personal trainer
- Teddy Long tells Carlito if he doesn't wrestle he'll be stripped of the title and fired
- RVD and Rey beat Kenzo and Rene in a non-title match
- I'll just copy this verbatim from the spoilers, since it didn't really make much sense to me: "Kurt Angle comes out and says he might have lost in a tag match, but can't
be beat in a singles match. Angle says that if anyone can beat him, he'll give him his gold metal. Angle calls out anyone from the back, and Dean Jabloski comes out, and wrestlers and Dean Fisk. Angle beats him with the
ankle lock."
- JBL puts Amy Weber (diva reject #2) on his staff
- JBL cuts a promo in the ring about his victory, Booker, Eddie, and Taker all want rematches. Teddy makes a Fatal 4 Way with those guys at Armageddon
- Joy (diva reject #3) tries to massage Carlito's shoulder, CCC gets pissed, she vows revenge (?)
- Cena pins CCC for the title, afterwards Jesus attacks Cena and he goes out on a stretcher job.

EDIT: On wwe.com, they actually listed the result of the U.S. title match:

http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/smackdown/wwe--cenawins.jsp

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#2 Posted on 17.11.04 0643.49
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Wow, what a rancid show.

RVD needs a personal trainer?

Dean Jablonski? They really ARE looking for the next Brock Lesnar. Good lucks, chumps.
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#3 Posted on 17.11.04 0747.34
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Me thinks Armageddon will be where JBL finally loses the strap ...

Money says a US title tourney is on the horizon ...

More useless, hot divas ... so much for the RAW diva search and it's "specialness" ... 1/2 of them have jobs now, much like 1/2 of the Tough Enough guys will have jobs after that contest is over.

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#4 Posted on 17.11.04 0819.25
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What's the point of putting 1 of the Diva rejects w/ RVD? Isn't the point of putting a hot chick w/ a wrestler to get the wrestler heat? Unless it is to get her heat, but then why siphon heat from 1 of your most over guys over to a piece of T&A. I don't get this move at all.
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#5 Posted on 17.11.04 0931.27
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Fatal 4 Way for the Title @ Armageddon should be great. JBL finally loses the tiletle I think. Lookd like RVD & Rey vs Kenzo & Dupree for the tag titles and Cena vs Jesus for the US Ttitle are likely matches too. I bet they pop a pretty good buy rate just because everyone wants to see JBL lose the tilte.
Anyone know who got cut from Tough Enough?
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#6 Posted on 17.11.04 0932.03
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So Cena wins the US title for the third time this year (WM, No Mercy, this week's SD). Seems like a bit much for a major belt. I mean, the hardcore title changed hands that much because of the 24/7 rules. But the US belt is the second-tier title below the world belt. So I do some digging on the belt history at solie.org:

Wahoo McDaniel won the NWA US belt five times in three years, from 1981-1984.

Flair won it five times from 1977-1980.

Luger had it four times from 1987-1990 before the belt became the WCW US title and won that belt again in 1998.

Bret Hart won it four times in ONE year from July 1998 to Oct. 1999 during his WCW run.

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#7 Posted on 17.11.04 0942.41
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Wow...seems everyone gets a Diva sarch reject. JBL, Carlito, RVD, the Monday night show...who else?
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#8 Posted on 17.11.04 1010.20
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It was mentioned that this SmackDown taping was Cena's last show before he goes back to film his movie. If that's the case, then why have him win the title? They could have done the injury angle without hotshotting the title like that. And if Carlito ends up just winning it back, then what was the point of the whole thing anyway?

Were they desperate to get these diva rejects on TV or what? None of them seem to have any purpose, and are just wasting space. Does JBL need someone else on his staff? I think JBL and Orlando 'Virgil' Jordan are all that are needed. Another one is feuding with CCC because he DIDN'T WANT A SHOULDER MASSAGE???? And why the hell does RVD need a personal trainer? Is he just not over enough by himself or something? Does he need a diva on his shoulder to entice the crowd to pop for him? Seriously, I just don't understand these things. Besides, SmackDown has enough good looking divas with nothing to do without adding three more.

Sounds like the main-event of Armageddon could be really good, or one huge clusterfuck. WWE's pretty good at booking dramatic main-events, so I'll bet on the former, but won't be suprised if it's the latter.

I sort of like how the WWE is trying to get big names on their B-shows. With guys like Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle, Booker T, and RVD wrestling on Velocity, and Chris Benoit and.... well, Chris Benoit wrestling on Sunday Night Heat. They just need to advertise them now, because the ratings for these shows are pathetic.

Looks like Rey Mysterio got his wish and is out of the Cruiserweight division. Problem is, I have no clue where they're going with the CW division from here. Chavo and Billy have a feud going, but Spike (the champ) is doing nothing, and this week got to job to HARDCORE FUCKING HOLLY (man, why couldn't have they done a package deal and got rid of him when they were shoving Billy Gunn out the door?)!!!

So far, Armageddon looks to be:

JBL v. Booker T v. Eddie Guerrero v. Undertaker
Kurt Angle v. Big Show
Kenzo Suzuki & Rene Dupree v. Rob Van Dam & Rey Mysterio
Carlito Caribbean Cool v. ???? in a US Title tournament final (I have no clue who they have that can fill that position, though)
Some Cruiserweight Title match involving Spike, Chavo and/or Kidman, and possibly a returning Paul London
I don't know where they're going with Heidenreich, Dudleyz, or others, so I'm not sure how they'll fill out the rest of the card.

Overall, while I complained a lot, it doesn't look like a bad SmackDown. I just have NO clue where they go from here. They have a PPV in four weeks, and I can only figure out 3 specific matches (WWE Title 4-way, Angle/Show, Tag Title). I'm guessing they'll do a US Title Tourney, but I have no clue who Carlito's opponent will be in the end, as there's really nobody left in that upper-midcard slot. Plus, it seems that they just don't have the material to fill out a 3 hour PPV. I don't understand why they feel the need to fire 10 guys, and then hire 3 Diva Contest rejects who have no real role to play and are just wasting valuable TV time. It just boggles the mind.

Another epidemic is that there is obviously no upward mobility here. The fact that JBL will be defending the title in a 4-way against the ONLY 3 guys he's ever defended the title against (on big shows) shows you that the draft this spring accomplished nothing. Combine that with the fact that they will spend the next 4 months building towards a WrestleMania main-event of Kurt Angle v. Undertaker, and I see no way how guys like John Cena or Rob Van Dam have any chance of getting beyond mid-card status.

Again, I hate to complain so much, but I just really see nowhere for this show (which I've been enjoying for the past few months) to go. I guess I'll just wait and see what they have in store.
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#9 Posted on 17.11.04 1049.19
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"It was mentioned that this SmackDown taping was Cena's last show before he goes back to film his movie. If that's the case, then why have him win the title? They could have done the injury angle without hotshotting the title like that. And if Carlito ends up just winning it back, then what was the point of the whole thing anyway?"

You do remember that Carlito's shoulder's pretty much screwed, right? Meltz says he's going in for surgery, so I doubt he's going to be winning the thing straight back. I agree that they shouldn't have wasted the Cena/CCC blow-off on such a lame idea, but getting the title held up this way does make a certain amount of sense because neither man is going to be able to hold it for the next few weeks.
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#10 Posted on 17.11.04 1131.59
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And why is Kidman losing to Chavo already? On SD, no less?
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#11 Posted on 17.11.04 1148.49
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I know he's injured and all, but how do they give a role to a girl named Michelle McCool that doesn't involve putting her with Carlito? I think they might not be trying very hard with these girls. Although a diva in JBL's act could be interesting.
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#12 Posted on 17.11.04 1148.59
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    And why is Kidman losing to Chavo already? On SD, no less?


Perhaps to move either out of that feud and into the US title picture? Even if Chavo loses to Jesus, it could boost him in stature, move him up the ladder a bit.
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#13 Posted on 17.11.04 1158.44
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I somehow see Rey getting the US strap ... he's long overdue for it.
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#14 Posted on 17.11.04 1229.34
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    Originally posted by knightvibe
    Cena vs Jesus for the US Ttitle are likely matches too.


Am I the only one that sees the irony in having to face Jesus at Armageddon?
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#15 Posted on 17.11.04 1229.49
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      And why is Kidman losing to Chavo already? On SD, no less?


    Perhaps to move either out of that feud and into the US title picture? Even if Chavo loses to Jesus, it could boost him in stature, move him up the ladder a bit.


Then why not blow it off at a PPV? Have London run out, distract Kidman, and Chavo gets the win. Build up the feud more. It's been only a little over a month, it seems way too quick to blow it off already.

Guess I'll have to TUNE IN TO FIND OUT!
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#16 Posted on 17.11.04 1356.52
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"I bet they pop a pretty good buy rate just because everyone wants to see JBL lose the tilte."

I dunno. Multi-man matches being harder to draw with + December as the traditional death month at drawing on PPV + it's still JBL we're talking about here = I'm thinking another sub-200k for sure.



"It was mentioned that this SmackDown taping was Cena's last show before he goes back to film his movie. If that's the case, then why have him win the title? They could have done the injury angle without hotshotting the title like that. And if Carlito ends up just winning it back, then what was the point of the whole thing anyway?"

As OSH Kosh Bagosh said, this was both Cena *and* Carlito's last show for a while, so that was their making the best of bad circumstances and giving a payoff to the feud that can't continue. You could probably say that you didn't need to move the belt to Cena before (assumedly) vacating it, but for one, it pays off Carlito stealing the belt in the first place, and for two, they so don't care about title changes.
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#17 Posted on 17.11.04 1441.42
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If they pull the trigger on a U.S. Title tournament (from the complete speculation on this thread's parts), let me cast my vote right away for a Charlie Haas push to come out of this, along with Mysterio.

Never happen, but allow me to cast my vote. Today's Taboo... um, Wednesday Afternoon!
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#18 Posted on 17.11.04 1522.51
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Yeah, I actually forgot about Carlito's injury (even though it's right there in the spoilers (it's been a long day)). I apologize, and it actually does make sense that they vacated it, with both being injured.

I, too, thought of Charlie Haas immediatley when thinking of the US Title tournament. However, Charlie is just one of those guys that WWE seems to have no interest in pushing, unfortunatley.
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#19 Posted on 17.11.04 1551.35
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Random thoughts on the spoilers as I will most likely not watch the show....

-More Diva Search rejects on my TV.....well at least they have more redeaming qualities than the Tough Enough guys.
-Why have Cena get the Title back just to vacate it. It's been discussed here, but how about letting Carlito sit on the Title whilst he's injured. He could constantly be getting out of required Title defenses and the fan's will hate him even more for that, plus he and Cena can give their feud a proper payoff.
-Four Way at the next PPV....so long JBL's title reign. I have a feeling that JBL won't be doing the job, just because WWE seems to roll like that. We know Taker isn't jobbing. So it'll probably be Eddie putting Booker over, which isn't half bad if they're actually gonna give Booker a reign with the Title, rather than a transitional reign. Of course, it doesn't look like they'll do that.
-RVD and Rey could really inject some life into the Tag Ranks. They are two guys who are really seen as stars by the fans, but not enough so that they're in the main event. Hopefully they'll win the straps at Armageddon.
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#20 Posted on 17.11.04 1713.36
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Haas is currently out with knee surgery, but it might be that type of surgery that only needs a week or two of rest.

Rey and RVD are WASTED in the tag ranks, as this thread shows. Everyone wants them to get the US strap, but more likely than not, they will be the job-boy to whichever heel gets to run with the belt for the next period.

It would NOT be hard at all to juggle Rey and RVD between tag ranks and singles ranks. They are perfectly capable workers, but unfortunately, they work for completely incapable writers.

JBL in a four-way interested me at first, but the whole draw of his run is the supposed Honky Tonk Man factor, where people (are supposed to) pay to see him get beat up and eventually lose. If he loses the belt without being pinned, they'd be going a completely different direction. And even if he does get pinned in this match, he can pull a Christopher Daniels and claim he wouldn't (and truthfully, didn't) lose one-on-one against any of those three guys.
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