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#1 Posted on 11.3.04 0952.16
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I know that yesterday was the official "Talk About Brock" day, but I thought that I would change it up a bit.

Last year, Brock tried the Shooting Star Press at Wrestlemania 19. Whether it was Brock's fatigue or Kurt Angle being out of position, we all know that Brock missed the move and basically landed on his head.

The WWE stayed away from showing the botched move (or at least the end of the move) for a long time. Recently though, they have shown the entire move as a way of promoting Wrestlemania. Being that WM is that big event, Brock might try to attempt this move again, hopefully with more success than last time. Here are the pros and cons I see with this topic:

Pros:

Brock will make sure that he doesn't make the same mistake twice. If Lesnar is planning on performing the SSP, he will make sure that Goldberg is in position. Brock would hopefully also know whether he is too fatigued during the match to attempt this move again.

Performing the move correctly will give him vindication for last year and a sure highlight for years to come (provided he is still here at some point by WMXXI). The potential promotion from a correctly timed SSP could be the highlight that Brock needs to overcome last year's debacle.

The SSP would be a better and more believable finisher to this match. As we have seen, an F-5 is not as indestructable a finisher nowadays. This is especially true if the victim is Goldberg, a legitimate tough guy. They might need a special finisher if Brock is to legitimately and cleanly pin Goldberg (barring a certain Stunner move).

Cons:

The potential for a mistake is still there. You cannot truly know if a move is going to hit correctly until you do it, and it still only takes one small mistake to set up a missed move.

If he is serious about joining the NFL, then Brock may not want to do such a dangerous move in his (supposed) final match with WWE. Brock may want to play it safe and not try to make up for last year's botched SSP.

Goldberg may not play ball. This is of course unlikely, but we have seen people injured by SSP's from people like Billy Kidman. Bill may remember seeing last year's mistake and veto any attempt to have the move done to him.

So the question is: Should Brock attempt the SSP this year, and will he at WMXX attempt this dangerous move?
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#2 Posted on 11.3.04 0957.01
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    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    If he is serious about joining the NFL, then Brock may not want to do such a dangerous move in his (supposed) final match with WWE.
This would probably be his biggest reason for not doing it, but the other "shouldnt do it" reasons you listed are pretty good too.
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#3 Posted on 11.3.04 0958.54
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It would be awesome if he pulled it off.

Should he do it or not??? I go back to the old standyby....wwjhd

What Would Jeff Hardy Do?
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#4 Posted on 11.3.04 1000.53
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No, he shouldn't, because of the risk that he could get seriously injured. Of course, if he is very confident that he will be able to pull off the move, he could give it a try sometime in the future. (I believe he will back some day). However, in that case, I think the move should be saved for a time when he's a face, since it would probably get a big pop.
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#5 Posted on 11.3.04 1005.01
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    Originally posted by Dieter Krap
    No, he shouldn't, because of the risk that he could get seriously injured. Of course, if he is very confident that he will be able to pull off the move, he could give it a try sometime in the future. (I believe he will back some day). However, in that case, I think the move should be saved for a time when he's a face, since it would probably get a big pop.


I think it would get a big pop in a match against Goldberg too. These guys are viewed by most fans as very similar, big guys who destroy opponents. One of them busting out a crazy move like that would get a huuuuge reaction from the crowd, regardless of face/heel lines.

But, I don't think he should do it unless he's practiced it tons of times and really thinks he'd be OK. Maybe it would be worth the risk, as it would be a very strong image with which to leave the company, and show that he still wants to give a little something back to WWE.

(edited some bad typos)

(edited by samoflange on 11.3.04 1158)
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#6 Posted on 11.3.04 1019.52
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    Originally posted by The Amazing Salami
    It would be awesome if he pulled it off.

    Should he do it or not??? I go back to the old standyby....wwjhd

    What Would Jeff Hardy Do?


Blow a spot?

Aw c'mon, its been ages since I've been able to poke fun at the luminous little maniac. I kinda miss him.
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#7 Posted on 11.3.04 1035.50
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I'm sure it would get a huge pop if he did it on Sunday, but that'd be kind of wasted now that he seems to be leaving. Better to save it for later, and to use it to turn him face. (I believe he will be back some day).
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#8 Posted on 11.3.04 1055.12
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There's no upside to using it in his "final" match from Brock's perspective. Assuming he hasn't even attempted it since last year, I'd expect that as soon as he got up there, the reality of "what if I mess it up again" would sink and and undermine his confidence, increasing the chances for messing it up. Why risk injury like that when he feels he's got some prospect playing in the NFL?
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#9 Posted on 11.3.04 1120.24
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There IS an upside for him to do it in his "final" match, though. It will give the WWE and the fans a visual to remember, whether for all-time or until he makes a vicious comeback. Either way it will pop the crowd huge, it will be a great Wrestlemania moment, and I personally think it should be done. He would've landed it last year if Angle was closer.
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#10 Posted on 11.3.04 1134.50
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I could see him attempting it, and hopefully succeeding. The match with Goldberg is not a main event and while both will probably go into the match trying to show off what they can do, neither are known for the type of "everything but the kitchen sink" match that Angle out out of Lesnar last year. Thus, I think Lesnar would have more strength to pull it off, as long as they both get their positioning correct.

Downside: He hurts himself like he did last time and it could be a long-term injury.

Upside: He can go out with a bang (whether he's leaving for good or perhaps a few weeks), have a great climax to the match with Goldberg, show off a move he had used a few times back in his OVW days with no damage, and prove all the naysayers wrong who thought he was wrong for attempting it last year.

So, I wouldn't be surprised if he tries it. If so, I hope he does it.
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#11 Posted on 11.3.04 1137.05
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Hadn't he promised management that he wouldn't try it again?

On the other hand, if you're gonna try it... now's the time. And would Vince and company be more likely to green-light the move, since Brock's apparently leaving anyway?
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#12 Posted on 11.3.04 1221.19
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I would mark out even more if Big Show broke out the moonsault he was supposed to be working on in WCW
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#13 Posted on 11.3.04 1330.13
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I would mark out even MORE if Lita could throw a realistic looking punch.



Anyhow, I got no love nor hate for Brock. If he seriously thinks he can make it in the NFL, no problem, he can always come back to the WWE when his playing days are over. So, go out on top, make the world remember him, as the guy who used the SSP to put Goldberg out of wrestling, and leave them clamoring for a return.

OR, he breaks his neck and the NFL thing is irrelevent anyhow. If he does botch it and manages to get Droz'd though, do you continue the PPV?
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#14 Posted on 11.3.04 1334.25
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee

    OR, he breaks his neck and the NFL thing is irrelevent anyhow. If he does botch it and manages to get Droz'd though, do you continue the PPV?

Oh the PPV would continue, because "Brock would have wanted it that way"
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#15 Posted on 11.3.04 1841.23
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Does anyone here actually think hes going to be signed by an NFL team? I looked for some of his bios on different web pages and it doesn't say anything about him playing football ever, or at least that I could find. And you can't exactly jump into the NFL without any experience whatsoever, but if anyone could do it, it would probably be him. Does anyone know what position he'd play?
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#16 Posted on 11.3.04 2043.42
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According to Rick Scaia at Online Onslaught:

A side note: the 26-year-old Lesnar has not played organized football at any competitive level in his entire life. However, just because of his size, he DID receive try-out invitations from a couple NFL teams upon his college graduation in 2000, according to sportswire stories that have picked up on this development.

Me, I don't think it's realistic that anyone can get into the NFL with no organized football experience. Either Brock is that delusional, or he's threatening to join the NFL in order to get something from WWE. Maybe he doesn't want to travel quite so much, which seems likely given the information I know about. Maybe he wants a larger push, not that I can imagine anyone getting a larger push than Brock has gotten recently.

Or maybe he really does think he's got a great chance to join the NFL. I'm sure there are a couple of teams that'd give him a tryout just for publicity-stunt purposes. But if he thinks life in WWE is hard, just wait until he goes to the NFL.

As far as what position he'd play...? I assume either offensive or defensive lineman, or maybe linebacker. Then again, I'm not quite sure how large he is compared to the NFL guys... maybe he's comparitively small enough to play cornerback.

Not that I think he'd do it well.
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#17 Posted on 11.3.04 2155.46
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I would mark out even MORE if Lita could throw a realistic looking punch.



    Anyhow, I got no love nor hate for Brock. If he seriously thinks he can make it in the NFL, no problem, he can always come back to the WWE when his playing days are over. So, go out on top, make the world remember him, as the guy who used the SSP to put Goldberg out of wrestling, and leave them clamoring for a return.

    OR, he breaks his neck and the NFL thing is irrelevent anyhow. If he does botch it and manages to get Droz'd though, do you continue the PPV?


See, that's why I think Brock might just bust out the SSP. He would get so much wrestling press for correctly hitting the SSP, and not just that, but hitting the SSP and then pinning the unbeatable Bill Goldberg. For this reason alone, I would predict that Brock will try the move and hit it correctly.

Of course now that all this stuff is coming out, perhaps Goldberg will still kick out and then defeat Lesnar with the spear'n'jackhammer combo.
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#18 Posted on 11.3.04 2205.39
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He won't do it. Plain and simple. I bet he always remembers how he blew that spot last year, and he sure as hell isn't going to do it twice. Plus he is on the outs anyways.

I think the bigger question is who's gonna win the match itself.
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#19 Posted on 11.3.04 2234.38
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    But if he thinks life in WWE is hard, just wait until he goes to the NFL.

    As far as what position he'd play...? I assume either offensive or defensive lineman, or maybe linebacker. Then again, I'm not quite sure how large he is compared to the NFL guys... maybe he's comparitively small enough to play cornerback.

    Not that I think he'd do it well.


I wouldn't have thought he would try out for the NFL but whatever. I'm not really a football fan but as far as a position if he did play? Based on size alone I don't see him as a linebacker or cornerback. The guy's 6'4"/295lbs. Maybe defensive tackle? I'm not sure.
Anyway, I doubt we'll see a shooting star press. Everything about this situation says no.
As for who will win the match? Previously I would've said Brock for obvious reasons but now I'm thinking neither Brock or Goldberg.
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#20 Posted on 12.3.04 0401.03
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He'll do it
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