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The 7 - Baseball - No-no by Lester
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#1 Posted on 19.5.08 2037.26
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Just finished on ESPN by way of NESN.

EDIT - Now with linky
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#2 Posted on 19.5.08 2050.20
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Congrats to Lester. The fact that he came back from a very serious disease makes this no-hitter the feel-good sports story of the year so far.
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#3 Posted on 19.5.08 2055.17
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Funny what happens when Lester doesn't suffer from Steve Traschel disease.
4 greatest accomplishments for Lester:
4) Throwing a no-hitter.
3) Winning pitcher in a World Series clinching game.
2) Overcoming cancer.
1) Not being named Mo.
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#4 Posted on 19.5.08 2142.20
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation

    1) Not being named Mo.


That one took me a while, but I got it.

I had the game on and left the room, only to find out about the no-hitter after the fact.

Good for Varitek who has caught four of these.

It's funny to think of the Sox pitchers that haven't pitched no-hitters...Clemens, Pedro, Schilling, Beckett.

Are Derek Lowe and Hideo Nomo still pitching???
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#5 Posted on 19.5.08 2210.04
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    Originally posted by dwaters
      Originally posted by redsoxnation

      1) Not being named Mo.


    That one took me a while, but I got it.

    I had the game on and left the room, only to find out about the no-hitter after the fact.

    Good for Varitek who has caught four of these.

    It's funny to think of the Sox pitchers that haven't pitched no-hitters...Clemens, Pedro, Schilling, Beckett.

    Are Derek Lowe and Hideo Nomo still pitching???




Nomo just was released by the Royals, while Lowe was beaten like a drum by the Angels on Sunday when pitching on short rest. Varitek now has sole possession of most no-hitters caught by a catcher at 4.
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#6 Posted on 19.5.08 2247.50
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Actually, 4 no-hitters ties him with former White Sox catcher Ray Schalk from the 1910s to 1920s. It's more astounding for Varitek's accomplishment because he did it with less complete games being allowed for pitchers and the DH rule.

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#7 Posted on 20.5.15 0033.42
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Funny what happens when Lester doesn't suffer from Steve Traschel disease.
    4 greatest accomplishments for Lester:
    4) Throwing a no-hitter.
    3) Winning pitcher in a World Series clinching game.
    2) Overcoming cancer.
    1) Not being named Mo.


One of my all-time favorite The W posts. Rarely do I hear a discussion of Lester's career and not think of this.
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#8 Posted on 20.5.08 1653.16
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One of Schalk's no-hitters was a nine-inning no-hitter which was broken up in the tenth; under the revised rules adopted in 1991, it is no longer an official no-hitter, so officially Varitek has the record.

Under the pre-1991 rules, Tek actually has five, as he caught a rain-shortened no-hitter a couple of years ago. I can certainly see where you could argue that a nine-inning no-no should count regardless of what happens in extra innings, but a shorter one shouldn't. Details at http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/20/clarifying-variteks-place-in-no-no-history/
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#9 Posted on 20.5.08 1847.27
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I stand (sit?) corrected
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#10 Posted on 20.5.08 2050.55
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And if you want to get an unofficial # 5, Varitek also caught Devern Hansack's 5-inning no-hitter against the Orioles on the last day of 2006...
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#11 Posted on 20.5.08 2100.13
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    And if you want to get an unofficial # 5, Varitek also caught Devern Hansack's 5-inning no-hitter against the Orioles on the last day of 2006...



A game that had a 5 hour rain delay and was rain shortened because the Red Sox were absolutely desperate not to lose a 7 figure gate.

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#12 Posted on 21.5.08 1242.42
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I just read where Mike Piazza caught two no-nos in his career. Serioulsy? I've always regarded him as a poor defensive catcher ... maybe he was getting signs from the dugout on those two days...
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#13 Posted on 21.5.08 1527.59
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    Originally posted by djpetti
    I just read where Mike Piazza caught two no-nos in his career. Serioulsy? I've always regarded him as a poor defensive catcher ... maybe he was getting signs from the dugout on those two days...


The story I've always heard on Piazza is that while he's weak defensively, he calls a good game.

Edit: Also, there's the fact that a weak defensive catcher should have little or no effect on whether anyone scores a basehit in a game.

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#14 Posted on 21.5.08 1532.21
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Mike Piazza wasn't weak defensively, he just had a poor throwing arm. He seemed to play catch with the centerfielder more than the middle infielders when attempting to throw out baserunners.
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#15 Posted on 22.5.08 1310.33
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    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by djpetti
      I just read where Mike Piazza caught two no-nos in his career. Serioulsy? I've always regarded him as a poor defensive catcher ... maybe he was getting signs from the dugout on those two days...


    The story I've always heard on Piazza is that while he's weak defensively, he calls a good game.

    Edit: Also, there's the fact that a weak defensive catcher should have little or no effect on whether anyone scores a basehit in a game.

    (edited by hansen9j on 21.5.08 1429)


A weak defensive catcher, one who doens't move well and has a poor throwing arm, such as Piazza, is much less likely to effectively handle a bunted ball by a speedy baserunner, thus resulting in a base hit. Also, pitchers pitching to weak defensive catchers are less likely to thowing breaking pitches, such as hard sliders, for fear of wild pitches/passed balls in times when runners are on base. Therefore the pitch selection will be more limited with someone like Piazza behind the plate affecting the likleyhood of a no-hitter.
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