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Corajudo
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#1 Posted on 12.10.05 1309.05
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I thought I'd get an NLCS thread going. Rematch between the Cardinals and Astros. I'm hoping the Astros can even the score from last year. Hopefully not having to pitch Backe and Munro in the first two games will more than compensate for the loss of Beltran's playoff excellence (and Garner's general strategic ineptitude).

The story will be Cardinal bats vs. Astro arms. Great stuff, and it should be fun.

The coup de grace is that McCarver won't be working this series because that means I can keep the sound on. That just makes it so much better.
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#2 Posted on 12.10.05 1344.38
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    The story will be Cardinal bats vs. Astro arms.


I think it's the other way around. The story is the anemic Houston bats against the as-of-late inconsistent Cardinals pitching. That's the matchup that's going to determine the winner. Dominant pitching was barely enough to get Houston into the playoffs because their offense was only slightly better than the poor offense displayed by Houston opponents.

If St. Louis holds Houston to 1-2 runs a game, who cares about the Cardinals offense or Houston's "Big Three," because St. Louis is not going to get shut out four times. Their offense is not nearly as potent as last year, with Rolen out and Walker playing most of what is likely his last season with several injuries, but their lineup is too experienced and too clutch to be intimidated by Pettite, Oswalt and Clemens.

The Cardinals' rotation will dominate Houston, I say, negating any advantage Houston's starters might give them. It's the St. Louis bullpen, missing its two best middle relivers, that will win or lose this series

(edited by TheBucsFan on 12.10.05 1445)
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#3 Posted on 13.10.05 0044.58
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I really can't see St. Louis losing this series after tonight's game. Pettitte and his playoff rep was needed to keep Houston alive tonight, but his freak knee injury doomed them. Now Douchebag Clemens is guaranteed to get bombed in his start, putting the Stros two down already.
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#4 Posted on 13.10.05 1156.22
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It's more a matter of if the Cardinals' bats stay around and not die in the World Series again. I mean, how can any team (much less the overrated "dual aces" of the Stros) stand up to:

Eckstein - perhaps the best leadoff hitter since Ricky Henderson. Dependable as can be, with occasional power

Edmonds - In a slump right now, but if he gets hot, goodnight.

Pujols - THE best player in the league, bar none.

Sanders - On the tear of his life. He's got something to prove to the five teams that dumped him, and he's proving it. Postseason MVP without a doubt.

Walker - Well, OK, I think he should have retired and wish they'd put Taguchi in before he embarrasses himself. But he can be clutch.

Then you've got Grudzielenek, Nunez, and Molina, all on the good side of .250 and all threats. And need I mention the bench?

When's the last time you've had such a complete lineup?
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#5 Posted on 13.10.05 1246.26
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I really can't see St. Louis losing this series after tonight's game. Pettitte and his playoff rep was needed to keep Houston alive tonight, but his freak knee injury doomed them. Now Douchebag Clemens is guaranteed to get bombed in his start, putting the Stros two down already.


I see this series going five games, max. As much as (like someone else said) the 'Stros are looking to avenge last year's NLCS loss, the Cards are chomping at the bit after being the best team in baseball LAST season as well and being swept by the Red Sox.

In their defense, Boston had a ton of momentum going in there last year. I don't see either team in the ALCS right now carrying that into the World Series.

That being said, in my heart I'm still rooting for Houston. My head, though, has told me St. Louis since late August.
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#6 Posted on 13.10.05 1249.52
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    Originally posted by BigFredMachine
    It's more a matter of if the Cardinals' bats stay around and not die in the World Series again. I mean, how can any team (much less the overrated "dual aces" of the Stros) stand up to:

    Eckstein - perhaps the best leadoff hitter since Ricky Henderson. Dependable as can be, with occasional power

    When's the last time you've had such a complete lineup?


cough homer cough

I won't argue your conclusion, but that premise is awfully flimsy.
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#7 Posted on 13.10.05 2018.25
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So just because I live in St. Louis, my statements are not valid?

How about this - I'm not a Cardinals fan. I'm an Indians fan.

Talk about flimsy premises.

(edited by BigFredMachine on 13.10.05 2018)
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#8 Posted on 13.10.05 2212.30
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No, not at all.

Stating that David Eckstein is the best lead off man since Rickey Henderson is a statement that reeks of homerism. Please provide any valid support (i.e., statistical support) of that statement, and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. However, if that support doesn't include a comparison against other good lead-off hitters, I won't consider it valid. How you'll prove he's better than Ichiro, for example, is beyond me.

(by the way, an Indians fan in St. Louis would be unlikely to choose as his user name the nickname of the Cardinals mascot)
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#9 Posted on 13.10.05 2220.46
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    Originally posted by BigFredMachine
    So just because I live in St. Louis, my statements are not valid?

    How about this - I'm not a Cardinals fan. I'm an Indians fan.

    Talk about flimsy premises.

    (edited by BigFredMachine on 13.10.05 2018)


Your opinions aren't invalid, but it's quite a statement to say that Eckstein is the best leadoff hitter since Henderson. Eckstein hit a career high 8 HR this year so his occassional power is very occasional. He doesn't hit for average either - he hit a career high .294 this year and has a career average in the .280s - above average, but nothing great at all. He also doesn't steal bases. Only 11 with 8 times caught stealing this season and a decline every year since his rookie season (a career high 29). He doesn't walk either (never even 60 times in a season). So I don't know how he's that much better than Podsednik or Figgins.
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#10 Posted on 13.10.05 2301.55
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Well I figured at least one of the big three Houston pitchers would give us trouble and boy did Oswalt ever. I mean we gave them a couple of those runs with mistakes(look at me using "we" like I was out there playing), but he shut the Cards down tonight.

I still don't see Houston winning this overall though. As has already been stated, the Cards were the best team all year and are playing with emotion for last season, and being overlooked still this year, and this being the end for Busch Stadium. I think they'll do pretty well next game, no matter the opposing pitcher.

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#11 Posted on 14.10.05 1052.09
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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    However, if that support doesn't include a comparison against other good lead-off hitters, I won't consider it valid. How you'll prove he's better than Ichiro, for example, is beyond me.


Actually, Ichiro is a rather shitty LEADOFF hitter, as he walks so rarely his OBP was only .350 (his career OBP is only .377). Eckstein's OBP in '05 was actually better than Ichiro's (.363), and his OPS was only slightly worse.

Ichiro should actually be hitting third, IMO, but he REALLY doesn't want to.
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#12 Posted on 14.10.05 1853.46
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Well, thank you for at least explaining your problems with my statements instead of making a broad generalization.

But how you can think that my name is related to Fredbird, the Cardinals mascot, is laughable. Especially on a board that started out as a wrestling site?

That said, calling Eckstein the best leadoff man since Henderson was pretty ballsy. But he's a good contact hitter, ALWAYS hustles, hits well, and provides a spark. My idea of a good leadoff hitter, stats be damned.

No one has answered my question. When has a team had a more complete lineup from top to bottom?

And by the way, Oswalt handed the Cards their own asses Thursday, didn't they?
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#13 Posted on 14.10.05 2153.18
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Obviously I'm rooting for the 'Stros here and would love to see a Stros/Angels WS simply for the Nolan Ryan connection. That first game was awfully embarrasing, as I expected Pettite to be the one guy that the Cards wouldn't do much against. Yeah, Oswalt is great and Roger is Roger even at his age, but I counted on AP taking that first game.

I think Clemens will win game three. He's gotta be hungry for the Series because he put off retirement (again) just to come back and go for it. Although I will say that I think he'll probably agree to come back next year if they Astros will call his son up from the minors.
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#14 Posted on 17.10.05 0749.33
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How in the world do you toss a guy out of a game, when its that close, and there is that much on the line? Granted, Edmunds probably said FUCK, but in the emotion of what all was going on, the ump deserves a beating for that call.
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#15 Posted on 17.10.05 0921.20
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No, Edmunds deserves a beating for losing his cool when the game is that close and the series is on the line.

The rules don't disappear because a game is close. It is the players who are payed big bucks to be professionals out there.

(edited by messenoir on 17.10.05 1307)
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#16 Posted on 17.10.05 1138.00
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I can see the Larusa ejection, but to toss a guy, IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS AT BAT, seems a bit extreme to me. The guy's strike zone was out of controll and all over the place all day long, effecting both teams. But, in the 8th, with runners on, he calls a high and inside pitch a strike? The call was BS and tossing Edmunds, no matter what he said, was BS as well.

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#17 Posted on 17.10.05 1144.00
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Pujols should bat second the rest of the series. He's led off 6 innings in the last 3 games.

Or, can we let Pujols have every at bat and just use the other guys as ghost runners?

As a Cardinal fan, I've lost hope. Never say never and all that, but congrats to the Astros fans.
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#18 Posted on 17.10.05 1202.13
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    Originally posted by messenoir
    No, Edmunds deserves a beating for losing his cool when the game is that close and the series is on the line.

    The rules don't disappear because a game is close. It is the players who are payed big bucks do be professioanls out there.


Edmonds as it turns out didn't lose his cool and didn't say any bad words to the ump, so no you're wrong.

That ump was way out of line and it's yet another in a series of stupid moves from a bad umpire. He's been booted from the league before and never should have been brought back.

Now that's not to say he cost the Cards the game, because they made enough mistakes to do that on their own. But if he doesn't make that horrible call on the pitch, Edmonds gets on with Pujols coming up, who singled when he got up the next inning. So yeah it was huge and that umpire should lose his job for losing HIS cool, to go along with the overall shitty job he's done throughout his career.
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#19 Posted on 17.10.05 1206.55
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I won't argue that it was a bad strike call, but on TV it sure looked like Edmonds dropped the F-bomb on him. If so, that's one of the magic words that will get you run.
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#20 Posted on 17.10.05 1623.42
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Jim Edmonds asked the umpire to do a better job. I don't know many umpires that would put up with that kind of mess.
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