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The 7 - Pro Wrestling - Matt Hardy, "Released" Wrestlers, and TNA
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Karlos the Jackal
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#1 Posted on 12.7.05 1320.31
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This was brought up a couple of times in the RAW thread, but I feel like maybe it deserves some more discussion.

Matt's reappearance throws the recent rash of firings into a different light. Stuff like the interviews with released talent (which I don't remember ever being done before), Spike's "I'm Free!" letter on his website (referenced by various sites), and the appearance of TNA and ROH logos on Maven's site (Click Here (mavenhuffman.com)) suddenly all seem suspect.

Of course, something like this would be hard to pull off without someone leaking it out -- but maybe they could pull it off if there were just a few "not-really-fireds" mixed in with a bunch of legit ones.

Another possibility is (if the releases are all legit), after the success of the Hardy return, that they might bring back some of these guys to do the disgruntled ex-employee stable that some people here have mentioned.

In any case, a definite side effect would seem to be TNA's willingness and/or ability to negotiate with the recently released talent. Since Hardy's been strongly suggesting that he's showing up in TNA this Sunday, he was almost certainly lying to TNA in order to keep the work under wraps, right? Would TNA be willing to look like fools again by "almost getting" guys like Haas and Morgan, only to have them show up once more on RAW?

Can other companies somehow get proof that released workers have really been let go? Or do they just have to take their word for it? If it's the latter, it's almost like WWE gets longer than 90 days in the'r no-compete clause, since other companies might be forced to wait until after their contract is up before starting negotiations in earnest.

Another thing I've been thinking about is Matt Hardy's ROH comment on RAW and his apparent appearance there this week -- is it possible that WWE might want to form an alliance with ROH, to pick up some street cred and first pick of workers, while making sure ROH's wrestlers stay away from TNA? Hmmm.

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#2 Posted on 12.7.05 1329.48
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The idea that some of the released guys would form a stable and storm the WWE shows would only seem to underscore Vince's ego. Doing this might be his way of proving he can outdo the recent ECW stable runs-in and use the audience reactions as "proof" that ultimately more fans care about WWE curtain-jerkers than ECW main-eventers.

Now, let's say he brings back the Dudleyz in this angle, you might agrue the logic of using ECW guys to disprove ECW's popularity. And to you, good sir or madam, I would say you are dragging logic into an universe where such an element is as yet undiscovered.

I'm not against another disgruntled stable if it gives some talanted folks a chance to shine. But we all know this can only end in said stable losing a "winner takes it all" match or imploding under the weights of ambition and ego.

Right now I want to see Matt target Edge and Lita, not play another face railing against the boss.

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#3 Posted on 12.7.05 1335.22
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I might believe that this was some sort of elaborate work if they had used guys who were higher on the card than Maven, Spike Dudley, and Charlie Haas. As much as Matt Hardy never got much of a push, he still had more success than any of the recent releases ever did (except for perhaps the Dudley Boys). Bringing back the fired wrestlers in any capacity isn't going to do much for anyone in the long term because they simply aren't guys that WWE takes seriously enough to do anything with that has any meaning.

And I believe that WWE did form some sort of "alliance" with ROH a few months ago. I don't know the nature of it, but I remember that Steven Richards worked a few ROH shows earlier this year. That was the last I heard of anything like that, but certainly he would have to have had WWE's permission to work an independent show. Plus, I believe that CM Punk is still working ROH (as champ no less) despite the fact that he's under a developmental contract right now.

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#4 Posted on 12.7.05 1413.01
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Maybe it's the other way around. Instead of the WWE seeing how popular Matt Hardy became after his realease, maybe the wrestlers are seeing how popular Matt has become since his release, and that's the reason they are being outspoken about it. Perhaps they were all really released and Spike and Maven and whoever else think that blasting the WWE will make them more popular in the Indy scene or in TNA.

As much as I like Haas, Morgan, the Dudleys and some of the rest there were understandable reason for all their releases, even the Dudleys. So I'll believe the firings are a work when I see it.

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#5 Posted on 12.7.05 1424.14
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I think we can agree there's something strange going on, but we have to wait and see if it's something strange AND meaningful. Someone who knew Matt was coming back could've directed the WWE.com guys to do the interviews to take full advantage of this air of uncertinaty.

Waiting and seeing is what they want, so go them.

I think the bigger story here is how, seemingly, Keller, Meltzer*, PWI's C&P - and TNA, since Jarrett was droping hints about him on Impact shows - all got fooled. The secret didn't get out, the cover story was bought - that never happens. How did they manage that?

* - His screed last night felt like he was finding out with the rest of us.

Must've been a long 24 hours for the news guys, between this story and the Hashimoto death.
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#6 Posted on 12.7.05 1447.57
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I'm confused because on wwe's website, it doesn't mention hardy returning on the raw results section, and the announcers didn't discuss it on the tv show. but there's no way hardy could've shown up by accident.. and it even looked like he helped the "police" put the handcuffs on him.. he certainly didn't put up much of a struggle..

.. so is it that they're doing this angle and not covering it on their website because they know that us internet junkies will be discussing it so much that we'll do the promotional work for them?
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#7 Posted on 12.7.05 1450.06
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    Originally posted by socetew
    .. so is it that they're doing this angle and not covering it on their website because they know that us internet junkies will be discussing it so much that we'll do the promotional work for them?


There's a section called Matt Hardy Posting below the black block of small screens on the wwe site.
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#8 Posted on 12.7.05 1506.11
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Waiting and seeing is what they want, so go them.
I believe a more accurate speculation would be something along the lines of they want bigger numbers at the website, which someone believes will somehow translate to more money.

On another hand, one might ALSO wonder aloud why these WWE.com "changes" seem to coincide with an expected spike in traffic thanks to Diva Search voters - coincidental or intentional? Might someone be hoping to point to one place to explain the jump in web traffic when it's really due to the other? And if so, why would they want to do that and what would they hope to get out of it?

But then, that's just another conspiracy theory I spun from idle time.

But THEN, how long's Court Bauer been working behind the scenes again?

Again...probably just coincidence. I just throw stuff out to look smark

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#9 Posted on 12.7.05 1522.17
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#10 Posted on 12.7.05 1659.28
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    I just throw stuff out to look smark




yah, real "smark". It's smart, not smark dumbass!
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#11 Posted on 12.7.05 1706.17
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    Originally posted by stlcardsfrk247
      Originally posted by CRZ
      I just throw stuff out to look smark




    yah, real "smark". It's smart, not smark dumbass!
I promise that when you get older, you'll enjoy my subtlety.
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#12 Posted on 12.7.05 1818.15
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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    Can other companies somehow get proof that released workers have really been let go? Or do they just have to take their word for it? If it's the latter, it's almost like WWE gets longer than 90 days in the'r no-compete clause, since other companies might be forced to wait until after their contract is up before starting negotiations in earnest.

Who's to say that he wasn't really fired? He gets paid for 90 days of work, as the contract allows, then, just as it's expiring, he signs a new contract with WWE. Not that I'm saying that that's likely. What I mean is that, just because someone gets fired, doesn't mean they can't get hired back by WWE at any time. That's the problem that TNA is going to have to face. If it keeps happening maybe they would consider a policy of only mentioning the guys once they have a written contract signed.
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#13 Posted on 12.7.05 1832.02
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There is a slight difference between Matt and the wrestlers let go in the purge: The fans aren't spontaneously chanting 'We Want Maven' or 'We Want Mordecai'. Matt had been over from his days with Jeff, and relatively over even as Version 1, so there was fan sentiment, and in some cases cult sentiment, to tap into. Except for the Dudley's, there is no fan sentiment for the others dumped.
Of course, there is also a big risk when Vince decides to judge crowd reaction: Bagwell's name getting a shocking pop in Cleveland back in '01 should cause trepidation when that is the measuring stick.
Of course, if Rhyno shows up after his 90 days have expired, all bets are off.


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#14 Posted on 12.7.05 1841.10
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Speaking of Matt Hardy, can anyone recall two brothers, the both of which wrestle (I use that term loosely for Jeff), being in different companies like this? Were the Steiners ever seperated? Were ... I can't think of any other real brothers. Anyone?
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#15 Posted on 12.7.05 1843.40
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Speaking of Matt Hardy, can anyone recall two brothers, the both of which wrestle (I use that term loosely for Jeff), being in different companies like this? Were the Steiners ever seperated? Were ... I can't think of any other real brothers. Anyone?


ummm...Bret and Owen Hart maybe?

This has gotta be a joke that I'm just not getting.

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#16 Posted on 12.7.05 1957.42
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Oh my god. Sadly, it wasn't a joke. I apologize. I wasn't watching wrestling then. That even answers my question, I guess, since Bret left after Montreal in November 1997, and Owen stayed with the WWF for the rest of his career.
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#17 Posted on 13.7.05 0819.10
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I am also wondering if the Jim Cornette firing might be a work as well. I would love to see him on TV leading the "fired" wrestlers.
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#18 Posted on 13.7.05 0938.18
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I am also wondering if the Jim Cornette firing might be a work as well. I would love to see him on TV leading the "fired" wrestlers.
In a perfect world Charlie Haas would get to call the tennis racket his backup.

In the real one, he probably has a meeting with Cassidy O'Reilly in the books.
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#19 Posted on 13.7.05 1232.51
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There's just not enough firepower in the released names for the WWE to spin an invasion at this point. Hugh Morrus did get title shots and even a title when in the Misfits in Action, but the group never really got over. I guess they could always have Stone Cold lead another rebel charge.

Think they would put up these interviews if there were a serious number two company around?

Edit: Also if WWE isn't putting footage of the attack up where can one go to see it?

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#20 Posted on 13.7.05 1414.28
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The real issue here is why these guys got fired. Matt Hardy got canned because between him, Lita and Edge, someone had to go, and he was the most expendable, not to mention the only one making a total ass of himself on the Internet. Once that whole situation blew over (and it did blow over; Meltzer says Hardy was signed around the second week of June, which is when he started to get really vicious; shortly before that, he had been quoted as saying he was still talking to Lita and even Edge had said he talks to Matt every week) it was an easy call to bring him back. The other guys got released because WWE didn't have any faith in them. Why would they build a major angle around a bunch of guys they didn't have faith in? Plus their releases were a cost-cutting move -- hiring them back at presumably their previous salaries just to do an angle with limited potential doesn't really seem like a terrific business idea.
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