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#1 Posted on 14.9.05 2140.55
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I haven't been watching lately because of the "offseason", inwhich the Kid's program and old college jeopardy are on. I tuned in today by chance and was surprised that David Madden, a young American living in Berlin is still the champ.

His streak was extended to 17 shows today and he has a total over 391k. His personality is that of, well a young Ken Jennings.

I'm surprised nobody else on here has mentioned his efforts...

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#2 Posted on 14.9.05 2331.11
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I only pay attention when Teapot tells me to....
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#3 Posted on 14.9.05 2357.53
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Which would make it 74 to 17. The Dimaggio Collorary needs to be applied here where that no one really pays attention to a hitting streak until it hits 30 games, or just over halfway to the mark.

In other words, it's prolly not going to be a major thing until he gets to at least 40 wins.
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#4 Posted on 15.9.05 0816.01
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He didn't know Svengali or Gulliver. I stand in my emperor's box and give him the thumbs down.
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#5 Posted on 15.9.05 0846.08
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The difference, to me, is that I liked Ken Jennings. This guy might be the nicest guy in the world, but there's something about him that annoys the heck out of me. I didn't root for Ken to lose. I'm actively rooting for this guy to lose.

Maybe I should get a life...
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#6 Posted on 15.9.05 1123.57
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    Originally posted by Roy.
    The difference, to me, is that I liked Ken Jennings. This guy might be the nicest guy in the world, but there's something about him that annoys the heck out of me. I didn't root for Ken to lose. I'm actively rooting for this guy to lose.

    Maybe I should get a life...


I rooted for Ken Jennings, too. I think it was because he had that smarmy arrogance hidden just beneath the surface. Or at least that's what I thought.
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#7 Posted on 15.9.05 2036.18
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I'm not particularly fond of David. I have said this in other places, but David can be taken off the buzzer. He's very smart, don't get me wrong, but his buzzer speed leaves a lot to be desired. (In this new season, he's not doing so hot on the buzzer end.) The way he wins is he goes to the bottom of the board and hunts for the Daily Doubles to either a) neutralize them, if he's ahead by a lot, or b) (which he's really only started doing recently) betting big if he needs to. Then he goes through the bottom two rows of the board to build up a lead, and then goes to the top and plays like a chicken. When he needs to, he can call the categories and answer very quickly. If he needs to kill time, he'll stall (he's admitted this on the official message boards) and hope they won't get to some of the clues.

I just don't like his style of play. I was a top-to-bottom guy. Anybody that's good on the buzzer and has a decent body of knowledge could take him down.
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#8 Posted on 15.9.05 2326.28
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Oh, bottom-row-guy is still winning? That style of play is so annoying. It's almost disrespectful to go for the big money clues first.
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#9 Posted on 16.9.05 1039.03
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I loathe that guy ... He looks like a total smartass to me & I hate the way he bounces around the board.
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#10 Posted on 16.9.05 1833.28
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Dissrespectful to go for the big money clues first? Why? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it's not against the rules.
If Teapot is correct then he should be beaten soon, but he hasn't.

Is taking a knee in a football game dissrespectful? No you say? Well, why not. Isn't that stalling. What's the difference?
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#11 Posted on 16.9.05 1933.43
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With all due respect, would anyone gripe if Thom McKee had a strategy on Tic-Tac-Dough to get X's in three corners of the board with the possiblility of making an opponent hope that he screws up in order to block?

To me, as long as there's no cheating/rigging, a win is a win.
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#12 Posted on 16.9.05 1953.12
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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    Dissrespectful to go for the big money clues first? Why? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it's not against the rules.
    If Teapot is correct then he should be beaten soon, but he hasn't.

    Is taking a knee in a football game dissrespectful? No you say? Well, why not. Isn't that stalling. What's the difference?

Taking a knee is done when (barring a turnover), you have guaranteed yourself a victory. So you play safe, because there's a chance of a fumble with every tackle that you allow your team to take.

I'd compare this more to basketball without a shot clock (like is played at the high school levels). It may not be against the rules to pass the ball around for 10 minutes without attempting a shot, but in my opinion (I was never an athlete; others may disagree with me) it is disrespectful. In a way you are showing weakness, basically admitting that you can't (or have a lesser chance, at least) win by playing the same game everyone else plays, so you have to resort to gimmicks.

Sure, he gets the win and the money, but he gets no respect from me. (Let me cut off the obvious reply by saying it myself: "As if he somehow cared about whether I give him respect...")

And Teppan-Yaki, I don't understand your comparison at all.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 16.9.05 1953)
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#13 Posted on 16.9.05 2336.08
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Wouldn't a more germane analogy about playing it safe be "wimping out on the Final Jeopardy! wager when you have an insurmountable lead"? (preventing a Cliff Clavin)

Which I imagine Ken Jennings did for 90% of the games in his streak?

He's playing to win the game.
Just sayin'.
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#14 Posted on 17.9.05 0040.44
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I admit I haven't really watched Jeopardy in quite some time, but how is clearing out the bottom of the board bad form? I don't see how it gives him an advantage, since the other contestants can buzz in and answer just as easily. If this really is annoying to the other contestants, they can easily stop him from doing this by answering some questions right and controlling the board. If someone is going to get an $800 question right, they are going to do it regardless of whether its the first question picked or the last one.

Besides, I always thought it made more sense to go for the bottom questions early if only because in the event of time running out for the round, that puts more money on the board. Even so, there's still no guarantee that money winds up on your scoreboard.

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#15 Posted on 17.9.05 1038.11
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    I admit I haven't really watched Jeopardy in quite some time, but how is clearing out the bottom of the board bad form? I don't see how it gives him an advantage, since the other contestants can buzz in and answer just as easily. If this really is annoying to the other contestants, they can easily stop him from doing this by answering some questions right and controlling the board. If someone is going to get an $800 question right, they are going to do it regardless of whether its the first question picked or the last one.

    Besides, I always thought it made more sense to go for the bottom questions early if only because in the event of time running out for the round, that puts more money on the board. Even so, there's still no guarantee that money winds up on your scoreboard.



I think the point is that the Daily Doubles tend to be in the $600 - $1000 range. So getting them taken care of early eliminates the chance for someone to make a big jump later in the game. If you only have $1000, the most you can win is $1000. Contrast this with having, say, $8500 instead.
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#16 Posted on 17.9.05 1049.00
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Has anyone ever hit the Daily Double as the very first question in the game?
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#17 Posted on 17.9.05 1123.34
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Has anyone ever hit the Daily Double as the very first question in the game?


David did it Thursday. I remember it also happened last season during the Michael Rooney / Fred Ramen / Tom Walsh match in the UToC.

How soon is soon?

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From what I understand, David loses on Monday. Thank God.
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#18 Posted on 17.9.05 1143.37
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    I think the point is that the Daily Doubles tend to be in the $600 - $1000 range. So getting them taken care of early eliminates the chance for someone to make a big jump later in the game. If you only have $1000, the most you can win is $1000. Contrast this with having, say, $8500 instead.


Well, if the Jeopardy producers see what this guy is doing, what's to stop them from throwing him off and putting them in the $200 - $400 range? Or, although its bad form, do they regard his 'strategy' as legitimate?

(edited by EddieBurkett on 17.9.05 1243)
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#19 Posted on 17.9.05 1149.36
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I just find him rather annoying now. I don't dislike him for winning, but his method of play just leaves a lot to be desired.

I think it's just that many of us are traditionalists who grew up watching Jeopardy and saw people do the top-to-bottom style. It's hard to take when someone goes against the grain and wins. Hell, I still hate it that they went to the 'King of the Hill' format. Just when I thought winning 5 times was a great accomplishment (and it still is), they had to change the rules.

His style makes the game boring because it becomes less competitive. It's enjoyable when you see a close, back and forth game and it all comes down to Final Jeopardy and bidding. The way that he plays ruins that a bit.

Perfect example was last night... You could see that after he got the second Daily Double, the other two constestants just sat back and stopped caring a bit. There was no pressure, no angst, no intrigue... just nothing.

Playing that way has its drawbacks and even Alex Trebek mentioned it a few times. It's a little annoying and boring.
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