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#1 Posted on 15.7.04 1202.33
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They're serious?

    But another name surfacing is that of rocker, outspoken conservative and gun rights activist Ted Nugent.

    "He grew up in Arlington Heights. He went to St. Viator High School," said Cook County Republican Chair Gary Skoien. "He has more connection to Illinois than Hillary Clinton had to New York, and he's been a very articulate spokesperson on constitutional issues. He would be a very interesting candidate."

    Nugent couldn't be reached for comment Wednesday night.

Nugent had been rumored to be looking at running for Governor of Michigan in 2006, so I wouldn't put too much into it. But it's out there...
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#2 Posted on 15.7.04 1215.32
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    They're serious?

      But another name surfacing is that of rocker, outspoken conservative and gun rights activist Ted Nugent.

      "He grew up in Arlington Heights. He went to St. Viator High School," said Cook County Republican Chair Gary Skoien. "He has more connection to Illinois than Hillary Clinton had to New York, and he's been a very articulate spokesperson on constitutional issues. He would be a very interesting candidate."

      Nugent couldn't be reached for comment Wednesday night.

    Nugent had been rumored to be looking at running for Governor of Michigan in 2006, so I wouldn't put too much into it. But it's out there...


I don't know if they've released an official platform for him yet, but he's pro-2nd Amendment, right? :-P

As long as I don't have to live in Michigan/Illinois, I'm all for this strictly for comedic value.



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#3 Posted on 15.7.04 1241.32
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You know, this sort of thing keeps happening and people might start to have trouble taking the GOP seriously in these parts.

Seriously, they need to just find some schlub, let him be the sacrificial lamb and promise to help him win something in DuPage County down the road. Because this is going to seriously damage their credibility. I was talking to a friend of mine who works for a member of the IL House delegation in DC and he said his boss was approached and wanted absolutely no part of this.
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#4 Posted on 15.7.04 1254.02
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    Originally posted by spf2119
    I was talking to a friend of mine who works for a member of the IL House delegation in DC and he said his boss was approached and wanted absolutely no part of this.
It was a lost cause anyway for a serious candidate, because of the time crunch in raising enough money to mount a credible campaig. The State GOP should just throw somebody up there and preserve all of the credible candidates to throw at Blagojevich or other statewide offices in '06, or even Durbin in '08.
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#5 Posted on 15.7.04 1302.21
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    As long as I don't have to live in Michigan/Illinois, I'm all for this strictly for comedic value.



Gee, thanks. And I hope Charo runs for Governor of Florida in 2006.

This guy's certifiably insane. I actually saw this guy in person up at Shanty Creek, MI once. Let's just say personal hygiene wouldn't be a strong trait of his as a potential gubernatorial candidate. Not that hygiene is required for the position, but we may not want him doing too many public press conferences.



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#6 Posted on 15.7.04 1346.07
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I don't understand why everyone is so quick to dismiss anyone who wants to run for public office who was previously a celebrity for some other, non-political reason. Why is it laughable to think that Mike Ditka or Ted Nugent might hae the same political ambitions and passion and awareness of any other senator or congressman or governor or whatever?
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#7 Posted on 15.7.04 1351.24
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I'm not dismissing it personally. The problem for the IL GOP at this point is that

1) They have had nearly half a dozen people publicly say no; and,

2) Nugent will probably be the next one because of his vow to run in Michigan.
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#8 Posted on 15.7.04 1410.24
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Reverend J Shaft: Gee, thanks. And I hope Charo runs for Governor of Florida in 2006.

Add Wilfred Brimley to that ticket and you book yourself a winner!

This guy's certifiably insane. I actually saw this guy in person up at Shanty Creek, MI once. Let's just say personal hygiene wouldn't be a strong trait of his as a potential gubernatorial candidate. Not that hygiene is required for the position, but we may not want him doing too many public press conferences.

Come on man...The Nuge is a hunter! You can't go into the woods with the scent of CK One...even the squirrels would call you an asshole.

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#9 Posted on 15.7.04 1420.42
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We as a public have created a cult of celebrity. Maybe it's because we don't have royalty. I don't know. But this will only continue until we as a country determine what and who are really important.
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#10 Posted on 15.7.04 1427.42
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    And I hope Charo runs for Governor of Florida in 2006


COOCHIE COOCHIE COOCHIE IN 2006

Actually, the biggest rumbling along those lines here was Jimmy Buffet was considering a run at Governor a few years ago. I don't think I want to live in a world where Parrotheads are considered an discernable voting block.
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#11 Posted on 15.7.04 1505.47
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I don't understand why everyone is so quick to dismiss anyone who wants to run for public office who was previously a celebrity for some other, non-political reason. Why is it laughable to think that Mike Ditka or Ted Nugent might hae the same political ambitions and passion and awareness of any other senator or congressman or governor or whatever?

It's not for me that celebrity status is a turn-off, so much as these two examples are people who have spent years cultivating personae which are based on confrontation, closed-mindedness, hyper-aggressiveness, and general Neanderthalism.
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#13 Posted on 15.7.04 1910.19
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    We as a public have created a cult of celebrity. Maybe it's because we don't have royalty. I don't know. But this will only continue until we as a country determine what and who are really important.
"We" haven't? ;-)
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#14 Posted on 15.7.04 2030.42
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    But this will only continue until we as a country determine what and who are really important.



This seems to say that you know better than others who and what is really important.

I'm most interested in the "who" ISN'T important according to your philosophy, and what we should do for/to them. Should we take away their right to vote? Could we get a set of standards for importance?
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#15 Posted on 15.7.04 2121.44
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    Originally posted by spf2119
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      I don't understand why everyone is so quick to dismiss anyone who wants to run for public office who was previously a celebrity for some other, non-political reason. Why is it laughable to think that Mike Ditka or Ted Nugent might hae the same political ambitions and passion and awareness of any other senator or congressman or governor or whatever?

    It's not for me that celebrity status is a turn-off, so much as these two examples are people who have spent years cultivating personae which are based on confrontation, closed-mindedness, hyper-aggressiveness, and general Neanderthalism.


Confrentation. Closemindedness. Hyperaggressiveness. Sounds like somebody who would stand fast and not flip flop on issues. Who would stand up for what they believe in. Sounds like a candidate who you would know where he stood and what he stands for. Sounds like a candidate that I would at least respect for being up front and honest.
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#16 Posted on 15.7.04 2212.44
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Closemindedness. Hyperaggressiveness. Sounds like somebody who would stand fast and not flip flop on issues. Who would stand up for what they believe in. Sounds like a candidate who you would know where he stood and what he stands for. Sounds like a candidate that I would at least respect for being up front and honest.


Sounds like Genghis Khan. Good luck with that Great Wall...
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#17 Posted on 15.7.04 2218.36
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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      But this will only continue until we as a country determine what and who are really important.



    This seems to say that you know better than others who and what is really important.

    I'm most interested in the "who" ISN'T important according to your philosophy, and what we should do for/to them. Should we take away their right to vote? Could we get a set of standards for importance?


What is important?
1. pols upholding the constitution.
2. ensuring the health and security of the republic.
3. providing for the common good.
4. protecting the health and welfare of the population.
5. you get the idea.

Who is important?
1. law enforcement, fire fighters, teachers, healthcare professionals, the average jane and joe trying to raise a family and do what's right.
2. almost anyone not a celebrity.

I don't want to set any standards for anyone else in this area. I would like us as a country to get over drooling after athletes, musicians, and film stars. Like what they do, cheer their accomplishments but quit worshipping someone because they are "famous."

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#18 Posted on 15.7.04 2237.52
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So, Ronald Reagan should have never been Governor of California, let alone of the President of the USA? He was a celebrity before entering public office.

Sonny Bono I believe was pretty well respected in Congress.

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#19 Posted on 15.7.04 2250.39
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    What is important?
    1. pols upholding the constitution.
    2. ensuring the health and security of the republic.
    3. providing for the common good.
    4. protecting the health and welfare of the population.
    5. you get the idea.


1. Not everyone can even agree on what the constitution MEANS, for crying out loud.
2, 3, and 4. Wonderful goals, with people working in about a jillion different ways to schieve them, Some of those people just might be celebrities.
5. No, I don't get any ideas from your response, just lofty ideals. Worthwhile, but lofty.

    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Who is important?
    1. law enforcement, fire fighters, teachers, healthcare professionals, the average jane and joe trying to raise a family and do what's right.
    2. almost anyone not a celebrity.


1. Not farmers, hm? What if the "average jane and joe"'s idea of raising a family and trying to do what's right doesn't agree with yours. Guess they are unimportant.
2. ALMOST? Who slips through the cracks? Celebs that agree with you?

    Originally posted by DrDirt
    I don't want to set any standards for anyone else in this area. I would like us as a country to get over drooling after athletes, musicians, and film stars. Like what they do, cheer their accomplishments but quit worshipping someone because they are "famous."


Sentence two is the opposite of sentence one.
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#20 Posted on 15.7.04 2331.28
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1. I believe lofty ideals are what we were supposed to be founded on. And the fight over where we are going and how to achieve it is what our nation is about.

2. I am a research agronomist and work with farmers for a living. Your sarcasm aside, they are all important.

3. I don't care if their idea of what is right is mine, just that they are trying.

4. Personally I don't hang around with only people that agree with me. The ones that disagree are the ones I learn from.

5. Hoping that we mature as a country and learn to separate the person from the clebrity isn't a standard but a hope.

Stagger, Ronald Reagan took his notriety and used it for a purpose beyond "listen to me I am a celebrity." Bono did the same thing as have others. You can accomplish whatever you wish. The examples you cited were individuals who worked beyond there celebrity. And Reagan worked hard to be more than a celebrity and spent years cultivating his politics.
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