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#1 Posted on 12.7.05 1622.02
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20050707/en_celeb_eo/16892;_ylt=AmGQt1cmLXmreecvHtEL_fhV.nQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Yeah, THIS should get me some hate.

Why does this kinda crap piss me off? There's poor, unwanted children HERE they/she could adopt, yet she decides to do some public grandstanding by going over to a poor country, looking all self righteous for the cameras and just decides to bring one home with her? She even paid $20 Grand for it? Why does this strike me as her thinking "well, I broke up a marriage, what can I do to get people to LOVE me again and think I'm a GOOD person?"

Rich people need to have salary caps on stupidity.
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#2 Posted on 12.7.05 1628.04
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My favorite quote is from an imdb.com article last week, where Jolie said, of her 3-year-old adopted Cambodian son Maddox: "He is in love with Africa, so he has been asking for an African brother or sister."

Awesome! So it's like an early Christmas present for him! That's so thoughtful.

--K

(Mostly I wanted to post the quote 'cause I thought it'd piss you off even more, Cerebus. )
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#3 Posted on 12.7.05 1636.52
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Yeah, THIS should get me some hate.
What *I* hate is a vague subject that doesn't tell us what your thread is about, compounded by pasting just a hyperlink without explanation of what it is, which ALSO doesn't tell us what your thread is about. Throw us a bone here.

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#4 Posted on 12.7.05 1750.38
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    She even paid $20 Grand for it?

I don't know how much it costs to adopt a child in the States, but from what I understand, $20,000 is very inexpensive for adoption, at least overseas.

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#5 Posted on 12.7.05 1904.11
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    http://news.yahoo.com/?s/?eo/?20050707/?en_celeb_eo/?16892;_ylt=AmGQt1cm?LXmreecvHtEL_fhV.nQ?A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04?NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

    Yeah, THIS should get me some hate.

    Why does this kinda crap piss me off? There's poor, unwanted children HERE they/she could adopt, yet she decides to do some public grandstanding by going over to a poor country, looking all self righteous for the cameras and just decides to bring one home with her? She even paid $20 Grand for it? Why does this strike me as her thinking "well, I broke up a marriage, what can I do to get people to LOVE me again and think I'm a GOOD person?"

    Rich people need to have salary caps on stupidity.


Or she could not adopt any kids.

Who the hell cares where she adopts from or how much she pays? Orphaned kids are still orphaned kids if they're not from around here. And how is she grandstanding?
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#6 Posted on 13.7.05 0826.03
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Look, I agree adoption is important and it doesn't matter from where. But...

1. Jolie is unmarried. There's no father figure in these children's lives. So, as far as I am concerned, they remain half-orphans. But I suspect they have caretakers that are both male and female.

2. She is working all over the world (she released SIX films in 2004, for example). The kids either have to travel or be left at some with Nannies or whatever.

3. The concept that there are plenty of kids here is valid. From adoption.com
Adopting from the U.S. foster care system is generally the least expensive type of adoption, usually involving little or no cost, and states often provide subsidies to adoptive parents. Stepparent and kinship adoptions are often not very costly. Agency and private adoptions can range from $5,000 to $40,000 or more depending on a variety of factors including services provided, travel expenses, birthmother expenses, requirements in the state, and other factors. International adoptions can range from $7,000 to $30,000.

Of course, one of the major issues in adopting from the US foster care syetem is that it takes going to hearings and being qualifies to provide adequate care, and questions like "Stable family" and "homelife" come into question.

Again, accoring to Adoption.com, there are 134,000 kids in US foster care waiting for adoption. (there are many others in foster care NOT eligible for adoption).

4. It can also take longer to adopt from the US system. 12-29 months is the average from filing to completion. People with money don't have to wait. Foreign adotptions can take days or less.

I am sure the kids she is adopting are better off. So I commend her. I assume she loves them. The above was for information.
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#7 Posted on 13.7.05 1245.44
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There are indeed many, many children up for adoption in the US. The problem is that most adopting want babies not older children. Second, because of their miserable lives in foster homes, etc., these kids come with alot of baggage that many don't want to deal with. Not saying it's right, just what is.


AWA is right, with her schedule/lifestyle it isn't a good thing for her to do this. And so her other child likes Africa. Huh?
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#8 Posted on 13.7.05 1311.38
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    AWA is right, with her schedule/lifestyle it isn't a good thing for her to do this. And so her other child likes Africa. Huh?

Maybe I'm being 1st World-Centric, but I'm thinking that life as the child of a filthy rich Hollywood starlet, even if cared for by professional caretakers, has to beat that of being an orphan in Ethiopia. The whole getting full meals thing alone kind of seals that one for me.
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#9 Posted on 13.7.05 1321.52
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Look, I agree adoption is important and it doesn't matter from where. But...

    1. Jolie is unmarried. There's no father figure in these children's lives. So, as far as I am concerned, they remain half-orphans. But I suspect they have caretakers that are both male and female.


What? Can you explain this statement?
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#10 Posted on 13.7.05 1333.48
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You must not remember the "single mothers are the spawn of Satan" conservative brainfart of the early 90s. Think about Dan Quayle and "Murphy Brown" and it should all come back to you.
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#11 Posted on 13.7.05 1341.38
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Oh...come on. I won't speak for AWA...but I don't think that's what he meant.

There are some very good single parents out there, but statistically single parents have a rougher go of it...which is why that's often taken into consideration in the "normal" adoption process.

Granted...being fabulously wealthy means that Ms. Jolie might just not have to worry about financial means. It doesn't necessarily mean that she's going to be a better (or worse) parent than a traditional couple.

...come to think of it...her not being with Billy Bob any longer might be a plus...
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#12 Posted on 13.7.05 1431.54
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    You must not remember the "single mothers are the spawn of Satan" conservative brainfart of the early 90s. Think about Dan Quayle and "Murphy Brown" and it should all come back to you.


Well, there's quite a bit of difference between becoming a single mother by choice (Jolie and the Murphy Brown character) and becoming a single mother because the father abandons the family or because of a divorce. The whole Murphy Brown affair was because the show made it seem as if a two parent household was unimportant and that single parenting was just another "lifestyle choice", was it not?
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#13 Posted on 13.7.05 1728.49
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Or, maybe it was just because Murphy Brown was single, and the writers wanted to give her a baby without actually marrying her off. Frankly, since pregnancy is one of the hoariest storylines in TV sitcom history, I don't think there was much to it other than that.

    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Look, I agree adoption is important and it doesn't matter from where. But...

    1. Jolie is unmarried. There's no father figure in these children's lives.


What about Brad Pitt? ;)
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#14 Posted on 14.7.05 0906.33
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    Originally posted by messenoir
      Originally posted by AWArulz
      Look, I agree adoption is important and it doesn't matter from where. But...

      1. Jolie is unmarried. There's no father figure in these children's lives. So, as far as I am concerned, they remain half-orphans. But I suspect they have caretakers that are both male and female.


    What? Can you explain this statement?


What's to explain? Kids needs BOTH parents. Now, if you have any question about that, I supect you need to do some quality reasearch about parents and incidence of delinquency and post-adolencent normalization. That is why most of the states (I am not willing to do the reserach here and now, but I suspect the number is 40 or geater) do not grant adoptions to unmarried persons without some special situation. Does that explain my meaning, or is that what you were asking about? I wasn't sure. The only other question you could have been asking about was my use of the word "caretakers" - which you could replace with nannies, "substitute parents" or something similar that Miss Jolie has to hire to care for her children during the time she is working. I doubt she drops them off at Daycare on the way to the Studio.

As I said, I am sure that the kids she has adopted are better off physically. No doubt they are better off financially and helth-wise. I think that there are valid concerns in several arenas, including some of the ones I mentioned in the previous post.
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#15 Posted on 14.7.05 1050.13
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by messenoir
        Originally posted by AWArulz
        But I suspect they have caretakers that are both male and female.


      What? Can you explain this statement?


    What's to explain?


I kind of thought messenoir thought you were implying they'd be raised by hermaphrodites.
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#16 Posted on 14.7.05 1053.08
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I really don't understand why so many have trouble with what AWA said. The facts are that having a stable two parent household is the best situation for children. That is not denigrating sngle parents but a fact. Do the majority of children turn out "okay" under single parent situations. Of course but their lives and adjustments as they grow tend to be more difficult.

It is better to be adopted by a good single parent than sit in foster care, and becomes more of an option with older children who are harder to find parent(s) for.

As far as Brad Pitt being a father figure. Unless things change, in reality he is nothing more than a male figure who comes aorund. Even worse, the kids form a parental attachment to him and she is on to lover number 599.

The statistics on single vs. two-parent families affects on children aren't right wing or left, they simply are.
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#17 Posted on 14.7.05 1124.04
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The arguement here still seems to be that no parents are better than one. There are plently of orphaned children - here in America and all over the world - who have no one, and I can't see how they wouldn't be better off being raised by one woman, one man, two women or two men than by no one. I suppose a two-parent household may be the ideal, but it's not like people are knocking the doors down to adopt in this country. I'm sorry, I really don't get the hate here.
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#18 Posted on 14.7.05 1228.23
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The hate, for me anyway, is that I rather the child go home with someone who'll love and care for the child each and every day of it's life instead of having so stupid actress who probably won't see the kid more then twice a week who seemingly just decided out of the blue to 'take something home with her to remember her visit.'

Hell, buy a t-shirt.
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#19 Posted on 14.7.05 1238.51
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    The arguement here still seems to be that no parents are better than one. There are plently of orphaned children - here in America and all over the world - who have no one, and I can't see how they wouldn't be better off being raised by one woman, one man, two women or two men than by no one. I suppose a two-parent household may be the ideal, but it's not like people are knocking the doors down to adopt in this country. I'm sorry, I really don't get the hate here.


That is not what I am saying. Fact is many of the kids up for adoption, born here, aren't orphaned but have been taken from parents for a variety or reasons.

As far as the two-parent ideal. It's not an ideal but a researched fact that the best chance for a child to succeed in life is with a two-parent stable household. Most, if not all would agree that one loving parent is better than none.

Finally, as I said earlier but maybe not well, there are plenty of couples willing to adopt but they want a baby. Throw in children's services practices in some states which strive for parents of the same heritage and it hurts these kids.

(edited by DrDirt on 14.7.05 1239)

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#20 Posted on 14.7.05 1428.49
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    The hate, for me anyway, is that I rather the child go home with someone who'll love and care for the child each and every day of it's life instead of having so stupid actress who probably won't see the kid more then twice a week who seemingly just decided out of the blue to 'take something home with her to remember her visit.'

    Hell, buy a t-shirt.


You have absolutely no reason to believe this actress will not love or care for her child the way any other parent cares and loves for their child. You seem to have some pent-up hostility towards movie stars, and while some may deserve a little bit of it, Angelina Jolie traveling to Africa to adopt a kid whose parents probably died of AIDS probably doesn't.

And while it may not be the writers' intent, I too am getting the impression that we all think Angelina would have done more good to stay at home and roll around in her money than go to another country and adopt a newly-orphaned infant. I might be wrong, but I'm not positive that's my fault.

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