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#1 Posted on 20.5.04 1015.13
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...Wrestlemania X-Seven, that is. Had you there, didn't I? I am thinking of getting XX, but haven't decided. Anyway, being the nostalgia freak that I am (I'm still praying for the return of the "F"), I found a copy of X-Seven on Amazon for a pretty good price. Anyway, for those who don't know, this is a two disc deal. The first has two thirds of the card, including Shane vs. Vince, which I admit, even though much of this angle annoyed me at the time, the Trish turn, Linda's kick and the whole ending is still as fun as it was the first time. Oh, and TLC II.

Of course it has the prerequisite video packages of the key matches, Ivory/Chyna, Shane/Vince, and Jericho/Regal. And, some stuff from Heat like interviews and highlights of Axxess. Not bad stuff. However, if you loved this show already, it's worth the price right there.

The second disc has the last three matches of the show, the Gimmick Battle Royal, HHH/Taker, and Rock/Austin. First of all, my pick for the battle royal was Slaughter. Lost a few bucks there, lol, but it's fun stuff for those of us old folks who watched this stuff half our lives. HHH and Taker, as I said at one time, I absolutely loved the buildup. I have some of those promos on tape already, and this feud had an old school-almost NWA style about it.

Just an old fashioned grudge. HHH beat all these guys on PPV, but not Taker. That simple, people. Best thing about it, no unnecessary drama like Debra being the Rock's manager in his feud with Austin. I dig that. Of course, Rock/Austin's in there. Despite knowing now how the heel Austin thing turned out, as well as WCW, I still look back on this fondly because it started so cool.

Of course, video packages for HHH/Taker and Rock/Austin also included. The other extras here are cool, more Heat segments, the ending highlight reel from X7, and my personal favorite, the fight between Taker and HHH at Axxess. This is my favorite because it includes an interview with HHH while he was doing a shoot in his trunks. Aww, YEAH! I remember those six. God I miss them. I can't stand that fat old cow on Raw these days, I miss YOU. I'm sure, you know by now what I'm referring to. If you don't, wild guesses are welcome. One more goodie, some highlights of Raw the next night. I wasn't too keen on the Two Man Power Trip at first, but hey, if you like heels (and I do), then what the hell?


So, there you have it. I really enjoyed the whole shebang, and as I said, if you already liked Wrestlemania X-Seven (and a lot of people do), then this DVD is worth looking for. For those of us who see the WWE as a cheap piece of crap compared to the grandeur of the WWF, then this is for you. This is the Wrestlemania we hoped XX would be.

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#2 Posted on 20.5.04 1033.56
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I'm not so sure I can agree with you there Ringmistress. TLC II, while obviously a complete spot-fest, was fantastic (Christian's fall from the ladder to outside the ring always wows me). However, HHH-Taker just didn't do it for me: the wander through the crowd takes kills the momentum of the match, and the choke-slam from the scaffolding is unconvincing at best. And the Gimmick Battle Royal was, well... gimmicky.
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#3 Posted on 20.5.04 1047.03
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Hey, I know what you're saying, some think that TLC II is just a highspot-thon, and HHH-Taker was boring and bland. The Gimmick Battle Royal seemed too cartoony for some. Hey, I grew up in 80s WWF (with some Jim Crockett on the side), so the Battle Royal was more like a childhood flashback for me. Then again, as I said I'm a sucker for the oldies sometimes.
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#4 Posted on 20.5.04 1144.42
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Well not to many people will debate the quality of a match feature 19 middle aged men and a giant turkey. I thought it was fun to watch. Surely not a piss break, that was Chyna/Ivory.

I enjoyed HHH/Taker as well, if I remember correctly, it had a good flow and good finish, if nothing else. I know what he means by outside brawling killing momentum, it certainly wasn't on Austin/Bret Hart WM13 as far as intensity, but I thought it was far better done than your average Raw variety.
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#5 Posted on 20.5.04 1225.21
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Having watched my PPV master of this show actually no more than a couple weeks back, I'd like to venture some opinions. While I certainly was and continue to be less praising of Triple H's "prime" than other people are, he clearly carried Taker to the best match Mean Mark had had in years. The match still had some very obvious flaws, the biggest being the complete lack of psychology involved. There were about eleven thousand chairshots in this match, and no long-term selling of anything. That's more a sign of the times than the fault of either Triple H or Taker, because this was during the "chairshots are the answer to everything" stage of WWF booking, but on a night featuring a TLC match, this, and a lot of chair action in the main event coming next, not to mention a street-fight earlier on AND a hardcore title defence that started the show if memory serves me correctly, you've got to wonder who put this show together and if they ever knew how to wrestle.
That spot out in the tech area was just absurd. Trips clearly lands on a mattress, which I have no problem with. But don't show him landing on it in a replay and remind me how protected and fake the spot was. Still, a nice brawl that was fun more times than it wasn't.

As far as TLC II goes, you know your ladder match doesn't make sense when no one's trying to go for the belts. Thanks for the suicide attempts guys, but at least one person in this match looked retarded several times. One thing that really struck me during this one is how much better Lita looked. She was really quite attractive back then, and she seemed in better condition physically just based on how she moved.

What made this show for me though was the main event. This was the perfect Mania main event and these two pros blew everything else out of the water. Everything made sense, and the internal logic from start to finish built to where it was going. You can see Austin being slightly outdone by the Rock, unable to beat his younger, stronger opponent. Rock gets stronger and stronger, Austin gets more and more frustrated, and although the Texas crowd never quite fully supports Rocky by the end sequences they are showing him way more love than they were at the start. The VKM alliance had my attention and it led to Austin's single best in-ring year under the WWF banner. Would have worked a hell of a lot better if the Rock would have actually stayed to forward the storyline, but you do what you can.

But yeah, good 'Mania. I think I like 20 better only because that was the working man's Mania, you know? Angle/Eddy, and Benoit/Trips/Shawn were matches where guys we've always wanted to see go over finally did. Both matches were excellent, Jericho/Christian was very good, and the Rock 'N' Sock V.S. Evolution was a nice fun mishmash of what everyone does well, soiled only by the pointless victory of Orton. We all knew Backlash was coming up, so this really did nothing for him.
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#6 Posted on 20.5.04 1245.33
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    Originally posted by Ringmistress
    This is the Wrestlemania we hoped XX would be.


Hell NO!!

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#7 Posted on 20.5.04 1253.54
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Hey, Tyler, either give me at least 10 more words to explain why not or you get no words for 24 hours.
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#8 Posted on 20.5.04 1314.46
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Glad you started this thread. I watched X-7 last weekend and it reaffirmed my belief it was the best one ever.

I loved the main event. Loved it. For all the reasons that HMD eloquently stated. One thing - didn't the finish seem an awful lot like the year before? Granted, Austin turned heel, he didn't come into the match as a heel. But the end of the match, Vince helping Austin, all the chairshots, Rock kicking out, but then basically getting beaten into submission in anti-climactic fashion... very very similar to Trip winning in 2000.

Not to say that it didn't work, because it did. And JR and Heyman put over the angle perfectly... whenever I think of that show, I think of "Steve Austin has sold his soul to the DEVIL!!"
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#9 Posted on 20.5.04 1321.47
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X-7 was awesome, I don't think you'll get much debate over that. What really sold it for me was the environment; they hadn't done a major stadium show in almost ten years at that point, and the visual of the full Astrodome just gave it that special feel. That really put it over the top.

Still disappointed Repo Man didn't win the battle royal, though...
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#10 Posted on 20.5.04 1421.49
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ab: "Not to say that [Austin turning heel] didn't work, because it did."

Hahaha sure, that's why he got a giant face pop for winning and everyone tried to pretend Vince wasn't there. (Nevermind everything that happened in the weeks to follow.)


hmd: "This was the perfect Mania main event and these two pros blew everything else out of the water."

I agree! Actually, I now think this year's was the best main event because it has a much better and happier ending. But that's an easy #2.

"The VKM alliance had my attention and it led to Austin's single best in-ring year under the WWF banner."

I don't dispute that heel Austin was the coolest guy I ever met, but his in-ring greatness had already returned, from the Raw match with Kurt Angle in January to the No Way Out match with Triple H. Spinal fusion surgery led to Austin's single best in-ring year (period), and he put on one hell of a show until the neck problems came back at the end of the year. That's what a year of **** matches will do to a surgically repaired neck.


rm: "my pick for the battle royal was Slaughter"

He was going to win until they realized Iron Sheik couldn't take a bump over the top rope and thus had to win.

"HHH while he was doing a shoot in his trunks. Aww, YEAH! I remember those six."

His body has changed soooooo much since then, it's pretty startling when you go back. The dude was ripped and without all the bulkiness he had when he came back in '02. Mania 17 might not be the fairest comparison since he was probably trying to peak his physique for the big show, but he looks, yes, totally hot.

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#11 Posted on 20.5.04 1457.34
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    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    ab: "Not to say that [Austin turned heel] didn't work, because it did."

    Hahaha sure, that's why he got a giant face pop for winning and everyone tried to pretend Vince wasn't there. (Nevermind everything that happened in the weeks to follow.)


But it worked for ME. Granted, they were in Texas and I'm sure they didn't expect the marks to turn on the most popular wrestler in the history of the universe during a 20 minute match.

As a friend of mine in the Astrodome said, "Apparently these people don't appreciate the subtleties of a good heel turn!"

I looked at it like the end of the first act of a play. The betrayal occurred, even if the rubes didn't want to admit it.

A few months later, they came through Texas with a string of house shows. The Two-Man Power Trip was feuding with Taker and Kane. Austin got booed. So it worked, albeit not overnight.
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#12 Posted on 20.5.04 1516.39
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I gotta give the nod to this year's Triple Threat match for best WM main event this century. Austin/Rock was an incredible match in front of a huge crowd with two of the biggest names ever, but I think people gloss over just how poor the storyline for this match was, and the finish was... just wrong.

WMX7 didn't quite get the point across (if there was one) and Austin just didn't come out looking like the better man (which, I know, was the point). WM is just the wrong place to do a drastic shift in a major character's personality like that.

This year's Triple Threat match, while lacking the star power, made a star. It accomplished its objective and actually had a good feeling of resolution for the years HHH terrorized everyone and Benoit's hard work finally paying off.

    Originally posted by asteroid boy
    I looked at it like the end of the first act of a play. The betrayal occurred, even if the rubes didn't want to admit it.


I think that's why it was the wrong finish, though. WrestleMania is Act III, not Act I.

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#13 Posted on 20.5.04 1541.30
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I have seen A LOT of fuckin' shows folks. Call me a mark, but this show definately was the best WWF ppv of all time. 4 hours of pure entertainment. Even Taker/HHH wasn't bad. I'm not a huge fan of crowd wrestling either, but it worked here. If there was a piss break(which there wasn't) it was Chyna Vs. Ivory.

    Originally posted by Ringmistress
    I'm still praying for the return of the "F"


So do I, but those wildlife fuckers just suck ass.
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#14 Posted on 20.5.04 1603.35
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    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    His body has changed soooooo much since then, it's pretty startling when you go back. The dude was ripped and without all the bulkiness he had when he came back in '02.


Totally. Even on the Foley DVD watching him back in Royal Rumble 2000 I was amazed at how trim and in shape he was. Now he's pudgy.
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#15 Posted on 21.5.04 0833.00
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So, Ringmistress...is all the Limp Bizkit "My Way" stuff intact on the DVD, or did WWE not get the license to release that stuff?

Wow, the "F"...I remember that.
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#16 Posted on 21.5.04 0835.55
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    Originally posted by Craigerson
      Originally posted by JMShapiro
      His body has changed soooooo much since then, it's pretty startling when you go back. The dude was ripped and without all the bulkiness he had when he came back in '02.


    Totally. Even on the Foley DVD watching him back in Royal Rumble 2000 I was amazed at how trim and in shape he was. Now he's pudgy.


By the way, I'm scoping out Royal Rumble 2000 on DVD next. I already have these classics on tape, but hey, these bad boys are aging, so I just want to preserve them, know what I mean? Especially now that they're cheaper. Yeah, I swear, I don't care if it's Hollywood or not, that WHALE has no right to call himself "Triple H". It pains me deeply to say this stuff, because there are things that I still dig about him, but gotta be honest with the tough love, for that gut's almost bigger than my head now.



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#17 Posted on 21.5.04 0851.45
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My $0.02:

I got this a few months ago off half.com for 10 bucks. Which when I saw the price on it I couldn't throw down my Visa fast enough. I had been looking for this for a while since I hadn't seen the show since I had seen it live three years ago, and I was not disappointed.

The thing that I didn't notice the first time since I was in a loud crowded room the first time was Austin handing Vince the chair and in an awesome little touch say to him "take his fuckin' head off" It's little things like that I love, not unlike how it took until the second watching of XX to hear Eddy say a panicked "oh shiiiit" at Angle coming back into the ring after he loosened his bootlaces.

But also, the good stuff was still good...I actually like the TLC2 more in hindsight then I did at the time, HHH-Taker had a hot crowd behind it if not exactly being a classic and Rock-Austin is still Rock-Austin. Plus I said at the time I was watching it that the My Way package was the greatest promo package I had ever seen to that point, and I don't think that's changed either.
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#18 Posted on 21.5.04 0932.19
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Hey, Tyler, either give me at least 10 more words to explain why not or you get no words for 24 hours.


I think my 24 hours are up, but none the less....

Reasons? Ok!

WM X7 had some good matches and a good build up, but other than thatvthere was NOTHING special!

Many of the feuds were old and boring! (Rock/Austin, Hardys/Dudz/E&C, Chyna/Ivory)

Some other matches were simply stupid! (Gimmick battle royal, Shane/Vince)

There wasnīt one (!) match that would have given me that special Wrestlemania feeling! (Like Hulk/Warrior, Bret/Shawn, Bret/Austin, Hulk/Rock, Benoit/Triple H/HBK)

They pushed guys like Austin, Taker, Shane and Chyna!

They didnīt push Jericho, Angle, Raven or Benoit!

Kurt Angle should have stayed WWF champion and therefore wrestled Austin in the main event! That would have been new and better than Rock/Austin!
(Although Angle and Benoit had the best match @ WM X7!)

Other than WM X7 WM XX elevated new talent like Benoit, Eddy, Christian, Orton and Cena!

We had new feuds and matches! (Orton/Foley, Benoit/TripleH/HBK, Eddy/Angle)

We had those classic Wrestlemania moments! (Benoit winning, Benoit and Eddy, the old Taker, Rock and Flair, the Hall of famers, ...)

So....has WM X7 really been what WM XX should have been?

....Hell NO! ....again!

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#19 Posted on 21.5.04 1208.35
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    Originally posted by The Thrill
    So, Ringmistress...is all the Limp Bizkit "My Way" stuff intact on the DVD, or did WWE not get the license to release that stuff?

    Wow, the "F"...I remember that.


Yup, it's there, all right, though I hated Limp at the time, they were so annoying to me. Hearing Taker's theme (Limp's Rollin') after the Motorhead entrance of HHH, really sums it up for you. Fred will never be fit to even fill Lemmy's jock, as one of my brothers once said.
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#20 Posted on 21.5.04 1450.32
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"that WHALE has no right to call himself "Triple H". It pains me deeply to say this stuff, because there are things that I still dig about him"

The fact that he's regularly having really good matches now and wasn't for the previous two years helps. Also, he doesn't look pregnant like he did in December. Just like a guy without a perfect physique.


Tyler D: "Reasons? Ok!"

Good heavens. If I even tried to respond to any of these I would surely surely die.
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