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The 7 - Sports that aren't Baseball, Football, Basketball, or Hockey - 2012-13 UEFA Champions League group draws
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#1 Posted on 30.8.12 1215.57
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    Originally posted by ESPN
    GROUP A
    FC Porto
    Dynamo Kiev
    Paris Saint Germain
    Dinamo Zagreb

    GROUP B
    Arsenal
    Schalke
    Olympiakos
    Montpellier

    GROUP C
    AC Milan
    Zenit
    Anderlecht
    Malaga

    GROUP D
    Real Madrid
    Manchester City
    Ajax
    Borussia Dortmund

    GROUP E
    Chelsea
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Juventus
    FC Nordsjaelland

    GROUP F
    Bayern Munich
    Valencia
    Lille
    BATE Borisov

    GROUP G
    Barcelona
    Benfica
    Spartak Moscow
    Celtic

    GROUP H
    Manchester United
    Braga
    Galatasaray
    CFR Cluj


Tough draw for Man City, obviously. I don't like them to make it out of the group - I don't know if it will be Ajax or Dortmund joining Real Madrid in the knockout stages, but City haven't convinced me that they can handle having their eyes on both domestic prizes and European glory. I say they don't win on the road and lose to Madrid and drop points to one of the other two at home.

I'm not going to bother predicting, as I know basically nothing about more than half of the teams in the competition. But the race that has me most interested outside of Group D is the contest for the second spot out of Group G. With Celtic probably already champions presumptive in Scotland, they should be able to pour all their resources into this competition. We'll see.
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#2 Posted on 30.8.12 1615.33
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It's nice to see they avoided any chance of Man U getting knocked out at the group stage again by letting them hand pick their group this year (kidding!).

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    With Celtic probably already champions presumptive in Scotland, they should be able to pour all their resources into this competition.


This would be like Andorra being able to focus all their military might on a fight with America. It won't help. Seriously, it's impossible to overestimate just how awful Scottish football is or how far the SPL has fallen in the last 5-10 years.
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#3 Posted on 30.8.12 1702.37
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But is it totally out of the question that they could beat out Benfica and Spartak Moscow for a spot in the last 16? If you say so, I'll believe you, but it doesn't seem totally out of the question to me. Some quick Googling suggests Celtic spends more on player salaries than either of those teams (one source showing such: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6354899). I know that's not everything, but it at least suggests there has to be enough talent to compete for second in the group. To me, anyway.
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#4 Posted on 30.8.12 1824.25
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    Originally posted by dMr
    It's nice to see they avoided any chance of Man U getting knocked out at the group stage again by letting them hand pick their group this year (kidding!).



don't look past the vampires from cluj.
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#5 Posted on 31.8.12 1514.55
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    But is it totally out of the question that they could beat out Benfica and Spartak Moscow for a spot in the last 16? If you say so, I'll believe you, but it doesn't seem totally out of the question to me. Some quick Googling suggests Celtic spends more on player salaries than either of those teams (one source showing such: http://sports.espn.go.com/​espn/​news/​story?​id=6354899). I know that's not everything, but it at least suggests there has to be enough talent to compete for second in the group. To me, anyway.


TBH I'm shocked Celtic's wage bill's higher than Spartak's but it's worth noting the Old Firm often have to overpay players by quite a bit to convince them to ply their trade in the SPL. I wouldn't say they've got absolutely zero chance of getting out the group because they've got a big home crowd, it's only six games and Russian teams generally don't travel well but I'd feel very confident betting against them. And even if they get through the group they aren't going any further.

Full disclosure - I'm a Rangers fan => bitter about all things football right now.
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#6 Posted on 1.9.12 0824.58
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Assuming nobody gets anything from Barcelona (though whoever gets them last could be facing their reserves), Celtic would have to beat Benfica (who are good) and Spartak (who could be anything from good to awful) at home, then sneak at least one draw from the away games to stand a chance. Basically, Celtic are pretty much totally reliant on their home form, which is what got them through the group stage the only two times they've reached the knockout stages of the champions league.
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#7 Posted on 18.9.12 1539.18
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Tough not to feel bad for Manchester City after that loss, but I also can't say Real Madrid didn't deserve the victory. The intensity and level of play in this game felt a lot more like a semifinal than an opening round of group play. It will be interesting to see how City responds to this defeat in what seemed like it might be a famous victory.
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#8 Posted on 23.10.12 1708.17
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Heartbreaking loss for Celtic today. At second in the group halfway through and getting third-place Spartak at home, they are in decent enough shape. A point today would have been pretty great for them though.

Hernandez played great today for United in their comeback. He had two goals, but his most impressive play was a slick dispossessing in a tight area around the touchline near midfield about midway through the second half, running past a couple of defenders and then delivering a nice outside-of-the-boot pass to I believe Nani running free into the area, but Nani couldn't put the subsequent shot on target so it didn't result in a goal. Nice comeback for them, a loss here would have raised some questions.

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#9 Posted on 7.11.12 1543.01
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And with a famous victory over Barcelona today, Celtic are in the drivers seat for the second spot in group G. Still a bit of work to do for them, but a draw away to Benfica in their next game would leave them in great shape.

If Celtic could have just held on for a draw at the Nou Camp, they would be top if the group with two rounds of games left to play. If I heard the announcer correctly, today was Barca's first defeat in the group stage of this competition in more than three years.

In other news, while Arsenal, Chelsea, and Manchester United are all in positions to advance at the moment, none of the English clubs have looked particularly inspired thus far in the competition. If Arsenal were relegated to the Europa League, would that put Wenger's job in jeopardy at all? I like Wenger and don't want that to be the case, but it seems from afar like there are some vocal Arsenal fans ready for a change after years without a trophy to speak of.

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#10 Posted on 7.11.12 1638.50
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    If I heard the announcer correctly, today was Barca's first defeat in the group stage of this competition in more than three years.


True. Since losing 2-1 to then-Russian champs Rubin Kazan at the Nou Camp (!) on 20 Oct 09, Barça was 14-0-4 in group stage Champions League matches until today.

Man City's flameout has been surprisingly enjoyable, mostly due to the commentators during their two Ajax matches.
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#11 Posted on 7.11.12 1658.08
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It's also the first time Barcelona has lost a Champions League game in which Messi has scored a goal.
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#12 Posted on 8.11.12 0515.38
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    In other news, while Arsenal, Chelsea, and Manchester United are all in positions to advance at the moment, none of the English clubs have looked particularly inspired thus far in the competition. If Arsenal were relegated to the Europa League, would that put Wenger's job in jeopardy at all? I like Wenger and don't want that to be the case, but it seems from afar like there are some vocal Arsenal fans ready for a change after years without a trophy to speak of.


I don't think Wenger will be sacked unless he fails to qualify for next year's Champions League. It's kind of sad that finishing fourth in the league is considered better than actually winning a trophy, but that CL place is what keeps the money coming in and keeps him in a job.
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