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Since: 12.2.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
Miles, does Jack need to choke a bitch out? Yes, yes he does.

Pierce is pulling through - hooray! I marked out when he called Logan, "Charles". The First Lady is now clearly going to have a hand in bringing down the Prez.

When Jack was brokering the deal with Henderson, one thing stood out - when Henderson was willing to deal on Jack's word. We know from earlier in the season that Jack's word is no longer valid after his dealing with the German agent. I can't help but think that will come into play next week.

Cummings was staged, huh?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
"Will there be anything else, Charles?" was the line of the night. Wonder what the "final twist" will be on the finale next week? I will be on vacation, and have to set the VCR. I don't know if I can wait 5 days to watch it!



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Since: 9.1.02
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Pierce steals the show for (at least) the second time this season.

Logan's silent approval of taking Pierce out was something to witness - it was chillingly reminiscent of Logan's words to Palmer last season..."This administration does not condone murder, and it never will."

I want to be able to fully grasp Robocop's involvement in all of this. Is he really a "patriot"? He facilitated the release of nerve gas on U.S. soil. He warned Bierko about the betrayal ahead of time, and helped Bierko plan out the domestic attacks. He hooked Bierko up with the CTU keycard, Collette and Malina (I'm connecting dots here). Why? What was the real plan/agenda of the Masterminds?

    Originally posted by whatever
    Cummings was staged, huh?
I don't want to walk through the door that that seemingly opens.
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Aaron Pierce is my favorite background character ever. When he is being questioned by Logan and he called him Charles, I about lost it. But Aaron & Martha seem a little too chummy don't you think?



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Since: 4.1.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.30
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I want to be able to fully grasp Robocop's involvement in all of this. Is he really a "patriot"? He facilitated the release of nerve gas on U.S. soil. He warned Bierko about the betrayal ahead of time, and helped Bierko plan out the domestic attacks. He hooked Bierko up with the CTU keycard, Collette and Malina (I'm connecting dots here). Why? What was the real plan/agenda of the Masterminds?


In theory, the plan was that Henderson (who's working for the POTUS, who's working for Graham and co.) would abet Bierko's crew to get the nerve gas and then they'd take it over to Russia, and then the POTUS gets to swoop in stop them under the details of the new US-Russia anti-terror pact and the USA would get a big oil contract. David Palmer found out about the plan, and was assassinated to keep quiet, and Jack was framed for the killing. However, when Jack foiled the plan to get the gas to Russia, Bierko went rogue and threatened to unleash the gas on US soil, which the POTUS was obviously freaked out by (so his reactions of panic were real in the middle hours of the season), while Henderson just went around trying to cover up all involvement. The key is, I don't think Bierko has any idea he's actually working for the U.S. president, and now he's just striking back against the U.S. out of spite/frustration, since his beef is really with Russia. So, technically, Henderson could see himself as a 'patriot' since his intention was never to use the gas at all, and definitely not on American soil.

There are LOADS of plot holes here (I'm still not really sure where Cummings and Nathanson fit in), but this is the general idea. As with most 24 plots, don't think too hard or else you'll develop migraines.

I had a really weird dream last night that the last episode would feature Palmer making a sudden return and revealing that his death was faked and that HE was the real mastermind behind the day's events. I'm guessing this won't happen, so my search for psychic powers continues.




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Since: 9.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
I'm with you up to a certain point, Big Bad. At the risk of reading too much between the lines...

Keep in mind that Henderson brought Bierko and Collette together. It was directly because of Henderson that Bierko obtained schematics to the gas company. Also, it's directly because of Henderson that CTU's investigation was obstructed. Henderson told Collette to use Audrey's name if arrested. Because of that, precious time and resources were wasted and the attack on L.A. (via the gas company) nearly occurred.

I'm running with this theory that Henderson is really loyal to nobody and that he's on a revenge kick against the U.S. (and Jack) after getting screwed over so many years ago. I think he really wants to leave the country (he inquired about his safety deposit box at his bank in Buenos Aires about 12 hours ago). But hey, if nothing more about it is revealed next week, I'm cool with that too.

All I really want to know is who he really was talking to on the phone after he left Omicron.

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Since: 10.12.01
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    and then the POTUS gets to swoop in stop them under the details of the new US-Russia anti-terror pact and the USA would get a big oil contract.


Actually, they weren't going to swoop in and stop them; they were going to rig their own remote control on the canisters, let them sneak thru customs to take them back to their terrorist base, and then open the canisters, killing all the terrorists (and surely no innocents.)

Everything started to go wrong when Bierko's guys spotted the undercover agent setting up the remote controls on the canisters.


    The key is, I don't think Bierko has any idea he's actually working for the U.S. president, and now he's just striking back against the U.S. out of spite/frustration, since his beef is really with Russia.


I think it's more technically a "the friends of my enemies are my enemies too!" thing after the treaty was signed.


    (I'm still not really sure where Cummings and Nathanson fit in)


Wikipedia puts together an explaination.
- Nathanson was (one of?) the inside man for the government in the terrorist unit.
- Nathanson had Tony and Michelle killed to make Jack think it was about Jack instead of Palmer, and keep him otherwise busy.
- Neither Cummings or the Prez knew about the other one being involved - their contact was Nathanson. (This is the explanation for why their scenes don't make sense given what we know now about the President.) They both aided him.
- Bierko kills him when he realizes he's working with Cummings, and things start to unravel.

Cummings was revealed as a suicide weeks ago, I think - after the President was shown to be in on it.

Cummings was killed for the same reason Henderson was going to be killed once he handed over the tape and possibly while Miles will get taken out in the next couple hours - he knew too much and he had some proof of what was going on to point the finger back at them. (Or they talked him into killing himself, as the president nearly did.) These guys don't like loose ends (but I think them themselves will be loose ends.)





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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I think it's more technically a "the friends of my enemies are my enemies too!" thing after the treaty was signed.

And Bierko was pissed after he thought Logan dicked him with the limo attack.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Nathanson had Tony and Michelle killed to make Jack think it was about Jack instead of Palmer, and keep him otherwise busy.
I think they killed Tony and Michelle (and tried to kill Chloe) to make Jack more easily frameable for Palmer's murder. They would have had to explain why Jack wanted Palmer killed, and if all the people who knew Jack was alive turned up dead then it would look like Jack was tying up his loose ends. The intent was to have Jack arrested and/or killed, so they probably weren't worried about distracting him.
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