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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57
    Originally posted by skorpio17
      Originally posted by Crimedog


      And as for the role model argument, first of all, there are PLENTY of players that kids can look up to that obviously aren't using steroids. Ken Griffey Jr.? Ichiro Suzuki? Albert Pujols? Vladimir Guerrero? Randy Johnson? Pedro Martinez? John Smoltz? Jeff Bagwell? Eric Gagne? Anybody think those guys are on the gas? Secondly, people who use illegal means to get ahead are not worthy of being idolized anyway, regardless of what they do for a living.




    For past steroid use, I'd call out Griffey and Bagwell. If we are talking about players currnetly on the juice we can narrow the list down a lot. I've heard 50% of players used steroids and that's a lot more accurate than the 5-7% that tested positive in the announced and easy to pass drug test.

    Also why throw the records out when EVERYONE was taking steroids. That makes eveyone on an even playing field with everyone else. Steroid use isn't confined to outfielders and first basemen. If you're telling me none of the pitchers in baseball were taking steroids I don't buy it. Guys in their late 30's early 40's are still throwing in the high 90's. Roided up hitters were hitting off roided up pitchers.

    Who says Congress can't accomplish something by forcing MLB into a tough Olympic style testing?


You're telling me that you think Ken Griffey Jr. used steroids?
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by Crimedog
      Originally posted by skorpio17
        Originally posted by Crimedog


        And as for the role model argument, first of all, there are PLENTY of players that kids can look up to that obviously aren't using steroids. Ken Griffey Jr.? Ichiro Suzuki? Albert Pujols? Vladimir Guerrero? Randy Johnson? Pedro Martinez? John Smoltz? Jeff Bagwell? Eric Gagne? Anybody think those guys are on the gas? Secondly, people who use illegal means to get ahead are not worthy of being idolized anyway, regardless of what they do for a living.




      For past steroid use, I'd call out Griffey and Bagwell. If we are talking about players currnetly on the juice we can narrow the list down a lot. I've heard 50% of players used steroids and that's a lot more accurate than the 5-7% that tested positive in the announced and easy to pass drug test.

      Also why throw the records out when EVERYONE was taking steroids. That makes eveyone on an even playing field with everyone else. Steroid use isn't confined to outfielders and first basemen. If you're telling me none of the pitchers in baseball were taking steroids I don't buy it. Guys in their late 30's early 40's are still throwing in the high 90's. Roided up hitters were hitting off roided up pitchers.

      Who says Congress can't accomplish something by forcing MLB into a tough Olympic style testing?


    You're telling me that you think Ken Griffey Jr. used steroids?


Although the hamstring injuries kind of hint at it, I don't think so. I mean, that'd be like saying Jim Miller was on steroid... oh, wait, bad example.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't. Certainly doesn't look the part.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.80
    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Although the hamstring injuries kind of hint at it, I don't think so. I mean, that'd be like saying Jim Miller was on steroid... oh, wait, bad example.

    I'm pretty sure he wasn't. Certainly doesn't look the part.


And Rafael Palmeiro does? Both hit a lot of homers, both have sweet swings, both are left-handed, both have moustaches, neither is exactly a hulk. If Palmeiro is to be questioned, why not Griffey? Because Canseco didn't put his name in a shitty book?

To say anyone is "obviously" not using something is kind of naive anyway. I mean, what do we know? Nothin'. I only know Canseco used because he said so. I can take educated guesses at other folk, but that's about it. If Tony Womack came out tomorrow and said he's used steroids, it would not knock my underpants off or anything.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
"The whole player panel was some oddly compelling television. Makes me wish we'd get to see a group of wrestlers in the same situation."

It wasn't on TV, but old Observers and Torches from 1994 have some pretty compelling literary nonfiction and you can read about the testimonies given by Hogan, Rick Rude, Nailz (who just makes stuff up b/c of an ax to grind with Vince), Pat Patterson (awesome), John Studd, Warlord, Tom Zenk, Ultimate Warrior, etc.

    Originally posted by Wade Keller
    O'Shea handed Patterson a Titan internal memo dated 12/1/89 and asked him if it was confidential. Patterson said it wasn't. O'Shea then asked Patterson to read the big word at the top of the page. Patterson, laughing, said, "Confidential."


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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.31
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    24 hours post mortem, umpteen columns, and I still believe that 98.4 % of the people in the sports media didn't watch much more than the sound bytes played on ESPN.



Not to mention that it was obvious several of the people on this commission had not even read Canseco's book. Which started this whole ball rolling.


    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN

    But what I saw yesterday should have everyone one of these "elected officials" thrown overboard with a pork barrel tied to each leg



Oh this dickhead from my state is asking for us to take McGwire's name off the stretch of I70. The rest of the officials are telling him he's fucking stupid. Which he is, and I plan on doing what I can to make sure he's out of there asap.


    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN

    The Parents:

    So, everyone bends over backwards to apologize for nothing they did (and that got really good when the Big Four were called). Woe is them. Unfortunately were are a sympathetic society and "feel their pain". Those of us that don't puke anyway...it's Baseball's fault that the parents could not handle their child? I'll go out on a limb and say they always wanted their child to succeed, from the first time they realized a "scout" wanted him for his talent. Pot of Gold at the end of the rainbow - now they want to lay the blame on "role models" for their 1) greed and 2) not paying attention until it's too late...but hell, they got sympathy, and most likely a book deal out of it. Or Interviews. In this case, I hope they are robbed blind by a Lawyer and Ripped Off by a Crooked Accountant. If their "boy" would have been a success, he most likely would have written a book and appeared in front of Congress...the apple always falls close to the tree and if one alligator tear is shed for these people, it's too much




Yeah I felt sorry for them, but at the same time they are blaming the wrong people. It's not Barry Bonds that told their kids to bulk up and then didn't provide them a way to do it without steriods. It's not Sammy Sosa that supplied them with the drugs. I recall back in high school a couple players were talking about bulking up and a coach was telling them he could help if they wanted. High school coaches should be looked at, suppliers should be looked at, and parents should be looked at, but not major league players. Chances are, they were the result of the same system that these kids were. They wanted to get bigger and took this route because it was available to them. Funny how no one mentioned that these men may have shortened their own lives from what they have done. They aren't directly responsible, they are a product of the system, just like those kids.

If they want to do something productive, then attack steriods as a problem, not MLB. But then, that wouldn't get them as much tv time as putting these big name players before a commision.
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