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The finale's body count:

The Sniper (seen motionless behind Jack, had his gun borrowed)
Generic Kingsley Bodyguard #1 (shot)
Generic Kingsley Bodyguard #2 (shot)
Generic Kingsley Bodyguard #3 (shot)
Kingsley (shot)
Palmer (poisoned) (although I tend to be conservative in counting deaths, I'm firmly in the 'he's dead' camp)

The final unofficial 24: Season 2 bodycount was 106

-I loved the nod to the previous season, with Drazen running out of bullets just as he as the perfect shot on Bauer, and then with Jack getting the same treatment here

-And Mandy, the amazing plane-bombing lesbian is back!

-Jack almost jobbing to a seatbelt was pitiful.

-A few storylines already for the next run. Dead President, and the fact someone close enough to know the bombing was off keeps the 'Mole' option going




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Good episode, last night.

The scene with Marie and Kate was weird.

I liked a lot of the Jack-Sherry scenes. I also liked the scenes with Novick.

Kim wasn't on that much. That's another positive.

I was disappointed though, that there was no payoff in the Carrie-Michelle storyline.

I liked the link between the first season conspirators and the second season conspirators.


Overall, this was a very good season, with probably only 3 disappointing episodes. I read somewhere that the 24 Second Season will be on DVD in August/September. I doubt there will be an alternate ending like last year.

Now the question is whether Season 3 will take place the next day or months after the aforementioned day. God, I can't wait till September.



(edited by tomvejada on 21.5.03 0422)


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tvshowsondvd lists 9/2 as the release date for the DVD. I did tape the entire run this time around, but, if the extras are nice, I'd certainly grab a copy.

I can't imagine that Season 3 would be continuing on the next day, Jack's mush, and I have a hard time buying that all the faces are up for 24 hours, let along 48.

I don't think Season 3 will start until at least early November, what with the World Series and whatnot.






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The scene between Marie and Kate was weird at the time, but easily explainable at the end. The term 'no one is safe' certainly seems applicable.

Great finale.

Looks like Mike Novick might be back next year after all, with the Palmer taking the dive...

Lots of openings for Season 3. It'll have to start a little while after the end of this one. '24' has nothing left in him to go another day right away.

September/November, whatever, it's too far away no matter which it is...



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The end ruined it for me. I hated Palmer's death, if he is dead. If only Gaines had known last year all it took was shaking Palmer's hand. Plus the whole stupid thing hinged on Palmer shaking that one person's hand out of the whole crowd. And why did Max (i think that is his name) make the call to kill Palmer anyway. Plan A was starting a war for oil money, Plan B was killing the president. I'm sure they have some reason for it, but to me it seemed like a twist for the sake of a twist. A good character doesn't have to die at the end of every season.

My only hope is that Palmer is still alive. His breath was the last thing you could hear as the show went off.

Good show other than that.



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Peter Kingsley has to be the stupidest criminal mastermind since Victor Drazen. How could you not see that helicopter coming?

I didn't like the way they set up the meeting with Kingsley in the coliseum in the last two hours. It was just too rushed, especially the way they got the confession out of him.

"Yes. I, Peter Kingsley, called Jonathan Wallace, the 7th Coral Snake Team Member to kill off the remaining 6 members of his team - the Coral Snake Team - to ensure that the nuclear device - the bomb - exploded in Los Angeles and I forged the evidence, the fake Cyprus - a city in Greece - using Alex Hewitt, a computer hacker, to forge a conversation between Syed Ali, the head of Second Wave, and the heads of three Middle Eastern Countries in the hopes that the United States would be forced into war. You know this already, Sherry Palmer."

I also didn't like the lack of clarity as to whether or not Palmer was alive or dead. Last year, we at least saw Teri's limp body, but we weren't given a clear sign this year that Palmer was dead. It would have helped if the heartbeat stopped at that last second or something. Those are my only two complaints.

Last year's finale was definitely superior to this year's in terms of plot, but this year's had a lot better character development.

Just the way people changed this season: Kim came into her own to the point where she feels she can take care of her father, Sherry's constant struggle between good and evil finally sided with good, Almeida stepping up to the plate and taking charge of CTU, Kate going from rich snob to finally seeing the dark side of the world, and Jack learning to live again.

The nods to last season's finale were great. There were a lot of running themes. Jack running out of bullets putting him in danger instead of his enemy running out of bullets and saving him last season (an ironic twist!), Kim arriving at CTU and being taken in by Tony, Palmer firing Mike (ala Palmer divorcing Sherry), a shocking "death" for one of the main characters at the end, a mysterious German plot unfolding yet with none of the main characters actually hearing anything about "Germany," and the head figure at CTU (Chappelle) getting some last minute evidence and assisting Jack in dealing with the final crisis.

...But, Chappelle is still evil. It was only after a direct order that he acted in Jack's best interests.

It's amazing how they held off Jack and Kim being face-to-face from the first episode to the last episode and even more amazing that Jack and David Palmer didn't meet up at all this season, yet were connected the whole way.

So, what does Season 3 hold for us? I'm sure they don't even know yet, but we have our German, as well as our American, villain (who we at least know has investments in the middle east) and a plot to still start a war, which has been in place since before Season 1. How can they start a war when everyone is onto their last attempt to start one? How does assassinating Palmer lead to the beginning?

I guess we'll have to wait on that one.



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I refuse to believe that Palmer is dead. As tired a plot as racing to find a cure may be, I think that is what they are going with leading into season 3.





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Ok, 24 newb here, I've been following it throughout the season, last night was the first full episode I watched, so I have a question. Who was that German guy on the boat (the one on the cellphone) at the end, and what does he have to do with Palmer's attack and such?





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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by mskj
    The end ruined it for me. I hated Palmer's death, if he is dead. If only Gaines had known last year all it took was shaking Palmer's hand. Plus the whole stupid thing hinged on Palmer shaking that one person's hand out of the whole crowd. And why did Max (i think that is his name) make the call to kill Palmer anyway. Plan A was starting a war for oil money, Plan B was killing the president. I'm sure they have some reason for it, but to me it seemed like a twist for the sake of a twist. A good character doesn't have to die at the end of every season.

    My only hope is that Palmer is still alive. His breath was the last thing you could hear as the show went off.

    Good show other than that.



I think this was intentional. If you notice, last season the Germans used the Drazens to do their dirty work and provided them with the resources to do so. They had their own methods and ways of doing things.

This season, they used Kingsley, who had his own way of doing things through Second Wave and NSA. Now that Kingsley and his men are dead, the Germans have no other choice but to do things themselves with their own resources directly and start that war they want.

At the beginning of Season 1, Gaines was working for Andre Drazen, who apparently worked with Nina, who must have worked for Max.

At the end of Season 2, we were left only with Mandy who was working directly under Max, who is now apparently working with/under Alexander Trepkos (the American guy in the business suit).

The Drazens weren't supplied with the same bioweapons that killed Palmer, probably because they could have been traced back to the Germans. That's my best guess.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 21.5.03 1338)


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    Originally posted by FMW
    Ok, 24 newb here, I've been following it throughout the season, last night was the first full episode I watched, so I have a question. Who was that German guy on the boat (the one on the cellphone) at the end, and what does he have to do with Palmer's attack and such?


Well he was Kingsley's boss so he originally looked like he was the big boss that was the mastermind behind everything. Except it was revealed that even he has a higher boss than himself who he called late in the episode before the attack on Palmer.
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I dunno... I don't think Palmer's dead. I instead think it was something weird, like flesh-eating bacteria or some such. They find the cure (otherwise 24 becomes 48), and the next 24 revolves around who planted it. Obviously, I haven't worked out the particulars, but it's plausible.







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After all the superman stuff Jack has done they almost have him lose it all to a seatbelt, what is up wit that?

I like the return of the plane bombing chick from season 1.
Palmer has got to be alive, but going into the last episode I thought he was the safest person.

Next season will rock! I love this show.



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I read elsewhere that Dennis Haysbert is leaving the show. So that means Palmer is probably dead.



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Where did you read this?

Edit: I had a feeling - there's a post saying the same thing over on TWoP (scroll down to secretagentman) but no more confirmation than that.

(edited by thecubsfan on 23.5.03 1252)
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I haven't seen any official confirmation from anybody, but I read in (I think) USA Today that Haysbert was on a talk show recently before the finale aired and sheepishly avoided the "Does anyone die?" question, then made the cryptic comment "The only person that's safe is the guy on the poster," indicating that he indeed was a target in the finale.

It could be nothing, or a hint that he was indeed ready to bow out.

In the end, though, the window is still open and if they want to bring him back next season, they can decide that as early as the first brainstorming session.





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