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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
Hell of an episode. Highly impressed with Day Four thus far.

Random thoughts:


  • Anyone else disappointed Beruz didn't kill his mom?
  • The office is apparently staffed by incompetents. Chloe's always been nuts, but now there's the insecure guy with the lisp, the boot-licking Sarah, and Curtis's manipulative ex-girlfriend, who is apparently Sherry Palmer redux. Driscoll sucks, and the dead guy, he sucked too. But it's ok, because he's dead.
  • { TOTALLY UNNECESSARY SPOILER DELETED - THANKS, BUTTHEAD - CRZ }


And next week: Does Heller get beheaded? I figure one of two things will happen: Driscoll intervenes for Jack, Jack saves the Hellers, or Driscoll brings Jack in, lets him go, but too late, and Heller dies.

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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    So, we know (if you didn't, you do now) that
Next person to post a spoiler gets banned until the season is over. I am so not kidding.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
Ah, sorry, Zed. It was in the news, so I figured most people knew.

Duly noted.



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The "dead guy?" The "dead guy" had a name!! He was Ronnie, damn you! Ronnie!

I'm convinced they couldn't have done a better job with the late Ronnie. Is there a better name they could have given him that would be realistic for a special ops counter-terrorist, but was also as unbadass as possible? He didn't look cool in his shades or his wannabe cool broken-in leather jacket, he needed remote help in the field from 24, he said lame stuff like "I'll stop you COLD!" to the toughest guy of all ever, his lousy interrogation style was worse than Pembleton when they moved The Box to the bank vault in season four of Homicide and, most importantly, he looked like Lenny von Dohlen, whom you may remember from Twin Peaks or perhaps Electric Dreams, if you're so inclined.

It was the perfect set-up for a character designed to be hated and ridiculed who we knew would be on borrowed time. And then they go and have him do the only cool thing he'll ever do in his life - get the drop on 24 - only there's no one there to see it, and he's immediately shot in the throat and dies. So it never happened. Oh, Ronnie, I already miss you. I wish he could have survived to say things like "Don't mess with me, pal, I'm RONNIE!" all day.

Lukas Haas! And he witnessed another murder, this time without the Amish around to protect him. Remember that movie he did where he kept seeing the singing ghost of the girl who was murdered? That was cool.

Our villains this season appear to be Turkish Ninja who are attacking the Internet (who may be working for the Germans, as SKLOKAZOID mentioned in the other post). I sure didn't see that one coming. I can only assume that they've kidnapped the Secretary of Defense and the Daughter of Defense in order to distract CTU from a second, larger assault on the Internet, which they intend to destroy. I hope part of the day takes place in a virtual motorcycle chase and swordfight in the metaverse.

I kind of like William Devane as the crazy, AK-firing Secretary of Defense so far. As a counterpoint to President Fake Al Bundy, who may or may not be evil, he seems like a good, take-charge, not evil type. Which probably means he's evil. But he doesn't have the evil facial hair, so maybe not. He should regale the Turkish Ninja with that story about how he was almost cast as Sam Malone.

The ski mask and robbery and disarming that one CTU guard in the first (second?) hour have been cool 24 moments so far. He's at two official kills and one maiming through four hours, which may be a little low for Jack. I'd have to go back and look. The overall show bodycount is decidedly higher than just those deaths, with probably quite a few deaths in the opening train explosion and all those Internet music pirate buddies of Lukas Haas murdered. And Debbie. She should have stayed alive longer just to keep tailing Behruz for the whole season. He could have ended up on a secret nuclear sub later in the day, and Debbie would be following along in her own submarine, asking if he participated in the beheading of a top ranking cabinet member because he doesn't like her.

Aside from Chloe, who is still awesome, the post-24 CTU is indeed pretty poorly run. Which is expected with losing badasses like Jack and Michelle and Tony's soulpatch. I like Edgar, if just because he says stuff like "the thecwetaway of defenthe hath been kidnapped, Chwowe!" or "Ewin Dwithcoll needth to thee you, Chwowe!" Ha ha, he talks weird. Awesome. Curtis runs the danger of combining the least cool qualities of post-soulpatch Tony and Wayne Palmer if he can't get his lovelife straightened out. I like that he has strange virtual reality technology on hand, though. He should keep suggesting overdone techno-solutions to random problems that could be solved by simple testicular electrocution all year. Driscoll is no Alberta Green, or even Ryan Chapelle. I won't even give her the benefit of a George Mason comparison. Her daughter should be fun if she causes hijinx at CTU because she forgot her crazy pills, though. I'm psyched for that, especially if Chloe insults her.

The best part of New CTU, however, is that they gave the cannon fodder (or, with this show, nuclear bomb/neckbreaker/Kim Bauer/killer virus fodder) security guards red shirts to wear. Even someone totally cool like me who doesn't watch Star Trek got that one!
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Well according to the secretary of defense in the first episode, 32 were confirmed dead in the train bombing so that should help you with your bodycount toll.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    most importantly, he looked like Lenny von Dohlen
Oh you did not just disparage the good name of Lenny von Dohlen.

Dreeeeamy

OK, maybe Ronnie looked like him a little bit. But NOT THAT MUCH.

    I like that he has strange virtual reality technology on hand, though. He should keep suggesting overdone techno-solutions to random problems that could be solved by simple testicular electrocution all year.
You'd think since that dude is so into "toking up" that he would have been all about taking a sensory journey into the unknown, man. I wish we could have seen Curtis put on an LP with a generic jacket reading ACID ROCK like they did that one time on "In Search Of ...".



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So far I like this year. I like that they mentioned that they changed all of the Secretary of Defense's access codes. I was worried that the train govt guy carrying the briefcase would have had the nuke codes or something like that. It doesn't look like they are going that way.
Jack's kill count if really low. The SOD is tied with Jack right now. Probably they will have another kick ass ending two hours like the end of season 2 when Jack killed like 35 people.



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This double-feature had a really cool moment that really addressed, in a subtle manner, some of the stereotypes associated with Muslim Americans. Navi was in some restaurant or something, and a woman asked him if he saw the news about Heller. He said, "Yes...it's awful." And she said how it was harder for them in this country when people from home do unspeakable things. It was a great line and one of those 24 moments that stand out even though it was probably not meant to.

Heller is a tough old bastard, isn't he? I knew that he was faking the heart attack, but it was still awesome. It was also pretty obvious that he wasn't going to escape. I still like his defiance in the face of his captors, though. This guy is great. I could do without the daughter (Kate Warner and Teri Bauer were way hotter), but Jack is "falling in love with her," so oh, well.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather sit through ten mountain lions than one office politics battle. I do like Edgar and I LOVE Chloe, though. Curtis seems like a decent guy and Maryann and Sarah are hot, but they are not interesting me just yet. Chloe had the line of the night, too. Driscoll: "Let's go." Chloe: "That's okay, I was gonna quit anyway."

The holdup is just one of those awesome morally ambiguous things that makes this show rule ass. It is along the lines of (but less severe than) Michelle's shooting of a hotel guest last season, and Jack's assassination of the child-killer in Season 2 as doing what has to be done to achieve the greater goal. When he put on that ski mask, we all knew...just knew...that something awesome was going to happen.

Dina Araz...man, now that is pure evil. I have to admit, though, something about her is exotically hot...even if she did apparently hiss at her son. Now, that was scary.

24 is bringing the awesomeness thus far. I am looking forward to episode 5. Anyone think there will be a silent clock ticking moment this season?
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I KNOW there is crossover between Adult Swim and 24 fans on this board (Ruby Trax, PalpatineW and CRZ, I'm looking your way), so I'm very disappointed that no one else referred to Debbie as "White Debbie" before she got killed in the fourth hour. Now I feel like I'm mentioning it too late. Oh well... I got a chuckle out of it every time they said her name.



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    Originally posted by The Sham
    I KNOW there is crossover between Adult Swim and 24 fans on this board (Ruby Trax, PalpatineW and CRZ, I'm looking your way), so I'm very disappointed that no one else referred to Debbie as "White Debbie" before she got killed in the fourth hour. Now I feel like I'm mentioning it too late. Oh well... I got a chuckle out of it every time they said her name.


You mean there's a... black Debbie?

    Originally posted by DrUnlikely
    I wish he could have survived to say things like "Don't mess with me, pal, I'm RONNIE!" all day.


And not just that, but Ronnie LaBelle, a name that rolls off the tongue in a less than menacing way. The monosyllabic first name is much tougher. Even Chase only has one syllable. Imagine Jackie Bauer. It doesn't work.

And has a character fit his name less than Edgar Styles? When I see that name, I say it to myself in a radio announcer voice. I don't know why. But it sounds like a bad stage name, and it doesn't fit that dear lisping man.

    Originally posted by The Yak
    I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather sit through ten mountain lions than one office politics battle. I do like Edgar and I LOVE Chloe, though. Curtis seems like a decent guy and Maryann and Sarah are hot, but they are not interesting me just yet.


Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean, I don't like it, but I'm willing to cut that plotline some slack. Maybe it's necessary for some sort of greater drama down the road. I suppose it gives Jack a foil.

And yes, both Mary Ann and Sarah are fine-lookin' ladies. And horribly annoying characters. I think I loathe Mary Ann less, because even though she's evil, she seems halfway good at something, even if that something is "being Sherry Palmer." Sarah just kisses Driscoll's ass.

    Originally posted by The Yak
    Dina Araz...man, now that is pure evil. I have to admit, though, something about her is exotically hot...even if she did apparently hiss at her son. Now, that was scary.


Good character, and well-portrayed thus far, in my opinion. Far more developed than the father, but I imagine we'll be getting to him.

    Originally posted by Ruby Trax
    You'd think since that dude is so into "toking up" that he would have been all about taking a sensory journey into the unknown, man. I wish we could have seen Curtis put on an LP with a generic jacket reading ACID ROCK like they did that one time on "In Search Of ...".


I really hate that kid, let me tell you. All the crying and screaming and whining... whew. I've never rooted for so many of the "good guys" on this show to get abused before. Curtis doesn't have Tony's street cred when it comes to torturing, but maybe he'll prove himself.



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