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Green Bay is just going defense, defense and more defense. I love it.



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The GIF's for the Seahawks and Browns 1st picks had me howling.

But I don't get the anger GIF for the Steelers 1st pick......it was a great no-brainer pick.







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I like everything the Giants have done for far. Three really solid picks. A big WR, a quick RB and a decent DB. can't complain at all, as it fills three needs they found themselves with this off season.

And here in St Louis, you'd think the Rams were just picking names out of a hat the way the fans seem to be crapping on every pick so far.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.76
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    Well, I'm hopeful. Super happy to get Richardson, pleased at the upgrade at QB (built with an arm like DA but with the ability to put touch and accuracy on his throws? SOLD), glad that the RT is addressed with someone who looks consistent at the position. Throw in a WR and I'll be thrilled.


I agree but feel bad for McCoy. I hope he gets a fresh start somewhere where he has something to work with.



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I am being led to believe by "draft niks" that the Steelers got two mid-1st round O-line picks in the late 1st and 2nd round. Of course, one of them only fell because he was in the "high 1st round" if you know what I mean. But he said he was sorry. Anyway, totally bonered out. We're gonna be all like, ::blocks::
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    Originally posted by Kevintripod


    But I don't get the anger GIF for the Steelers 1st pick......it was a great no-brainer pick.



I think a couple posts down the thread, the guy said he was a huge DeCastro fan and wanted the Titans (his team) to pick him.



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JJD's 2012 PATRIOTS' DRAFT MANIFESTO

I did this for the Patriots' 2010 draft, but I skipped 2011. As I was digging into the 2012 draft I figured I was probably too busy to do the 2011 draft, but the more I got into I realized I didn't do 2011 because they traded their first, third, and fourth round picks in 2011 in deals that netted them 2012 picks, so there weren't many players to choose from. How do you analyze a draft where most of what comes back is future picks?

A big problem I have with draft "grades" is that they don't really factor in the entire mechanism of the draft and the complete use of a draft pick as an asset – generally, they merely grade the picks in each spot and that's it. For example, the Patriots left New York last year with a couple of picks in the 2012 draft that had been acquired for 2011 picks. While I'm sure those trades were somewhat factored in to the evaluation of the 2011 draft, the truth is that the 2011 draft has been graded and forgotten, despite the fact that some of the picks only reached their final use this weekend. Nobody ever goes back and adds up the "net" use of a draft pick as an asset, right?

So I decided to retrace the Patriots' 2012 draft – every team gets seven draft picks per season plus compensatory picks, but New England's 2012 draft (as of Thursday morning) had two firsts, two seconds and no picks after the fourth round. Where'd those extra picks come from (or in the case of the missing late-rounders, where did they go?)

FIRST, THE EASY STUFF

Since they had zero compensatory draft choices in 2012, the Patriots would have only had their standard picks awarded to them for the 2012 draft. Tracking the ones that the Patriots actually USED to just pick a player should be easy, right? The Patriots had next-to-last pick in each of the seven rounds, so they ended up at 31, 62, 93, 126, 166, 200, and 238. How many of THOSE exact picks did the Patriots use on a player in the 2012 draft? Zero. (Of course they didn't. Thanks, Bill Belichick.)

HEY, WHERE DID THOSE PICKS GO?

The Patriots' original fifth-round pick went to Cincinnati last season for WR Chad Ochocinco, who had a disappointing 2011 by HIS standards with 15 catches for 276 yards and one TD. On the other hand, considering how many picks at 166 turn out to be quality NFL players, I would think you would have to judge 15-276-1 plus whatever Ochocinco provides in 2012 as a win with that pick. (When I did the 2010 draft the Pats had traded their 5th-round pick for a guy who didn't make it to the opening game roster before being released.)

The Patriots made another player-for-pick trade to get LB Tracy White for their 2012 6th-round pick. They made this trade in 2010, and White has totaled 54 tackles in 2010 and 2011 and is still on the roster as a backup LB and special teams-player. This is another case where I think the return the Patriots received for the 200th pick in the draft has exceeded reasonable expectations.

In addition to receiving White for the 200th pick, the Patriots also received the Eagles' 7th-round pick in 2012, which came in at 223rd overall. The Patriots took that Eagles pick and packaged it with Randy Moss in late 2010, sending Moss + 2012/223 to Minnesota for the Vikings' 2011 3rd-round pick (LOL) which ended up at 74th overall and was used on QB Ryan Mallett, who spent the entire 2011 season as the Patriots 3rd-stringer. If the Patriots can trade backup QB Brian Hoyer or Mallett for some decent picks in 2013 or 2014 you could argue that some credit for those picks goes back to the Patriots original 2012 6th-round pick, right?

Summarizing the 200th pick you get this: Traded with WR Randy Moss for LB Tracy White and 2011 3rd-round pick (QB Ryan Mallett)

The Patriots' 2012 7th-round pick was traded in 2010 to the Chiefs for S Jarrad Page. Page had 12 tackles and 2 INTs in 2010 and left to sign as a free agent with the Eagles. Still, given that 7th-round draft picks are often released without playing a single game, Page's 2010 contributions were worth a 7th-round pick.

After trading those picks for players, here is the state of the Patriots' 2012 draft (with their picks ONLY).

Round 1 – 31st pick (31st overall)
Round 2 – 30th pick (62nd overall)
Round 3 – 30th pick (93rd overall)
Round 4 – 31st pick (126th overall)
Round 5 – 31st pick (166th overall) – Traded to CIN for WR Chad Ochocinco
Round 6 – 30th pick (200th overall) (with WR Randy Moss) – Traded to PHI for LB Tracy White and 2011 74th overall pick QB Ryan Mallett
Round 7 – 31st pick (238th overall) – Traded to KC for S Jarrad Page

HEY, WHERE DID THOSE PICKS COME FROM?

The Patriots had two first-round and two second-round picks in the 2012 draft. What did they do to get those extra picks?

To get the extra first-round pick they traded their 2011 first-round pick (28th overall) to New Orleans for the Saints' 2011 second-round pick (56th overall) and 2012 first-round pick, which ended up at 27th overall. The Patriots drafted RB Shane Vereen from Cal at 56th in 2011.

The Patriots' second 2nd-round pick came in a deal with Oakland. New England traded their 2011 3rd and 4th-round picks (90th and 125th overall) for Oakland's 2011 7th-round pick (219th overall), which they used to select DB Malcolm Williams, and Oakland's 2012 2nd-round pick, which ended up at 48th overall.

So with these picks added to their 2012 draft the Patriots were here:

Round 1 – 27th pick (27th overall)
Round 1 – 31st pick (31st overall)
Round 2 – 16th pick (48th overall)
Round 2 – 30th pick (62nd overall)
Round 3 – 30th pick (93rd overall)
Round 4 – 31st pick (126th overall)
Round 5 – 31st pick (166th overall) – Traded to CIN for WR Chad Ochocinco
Round 6 – 30th pick (200th overall) (with WR Randy Moss) – Traded to PHI for LB Tracy White and 2011 74th overall pick QB Ryan Mallett
Round 7 – 31st pick (238th overall) – Traded to KC for S Jarrad Page

LET'S MAKE A DEAL (OR SEVEN)

Remember what I said earlier: The Patriots did not use ANY of the picks they had in their original spot. That is because – as usual – they were trading like crazy during this draft.

The first thing they did is move up from 27 to 21 in a deal with Cincinnati. The cost to move up six spots? Their pick in the 3rd-round at #93. The Patriots used the 21st overall pick to select DE Chandler Jones from Syracuse.

The next thing the Patriots did was move from 31 to 25 in a deal with Denver. The cost to move up THOSE six spots? Their pick in the 4th-round at #126. The Patriots used the 25th overall pick to select LB Dont'a Hightower from Alabama. (I live this pick better than the Jones pick at 21, honestly.)

Then at 48th overall the Patriots took S Tavon Wilson from Illinois. Given that the Patriots recent record of drafting DBs has been…I'll be nice and say "uneven"…yeah, I'm still psyched about the Hightower pick, right?

So updating the list you have:

Round 1 – 27th pick (27th overall) – Traded for 21st overall pick (Drafted Syracuse LB Chandler Jones
Round 1 – 31st pick (31st overall) – Traded for 25th overall pick (Drafted Alabama LB Dont'a Hightower)
Round 2 – 16th pick (48th overall) – Drafted Illinois S Tavon Wilson
Round 2 – 30th pick (62nd overall)
Round 3 – 30th pick (93rd overall) – Traded to CIN in deal to move up from 27th to 21st
Round 4 – 31st pick (126th overall) – Traded to DEN in deal to move up from 31st to 25th
Round 5 – 31st pick (166th overall) – Traded to CIN for WR Chad Ochocinco
Round 6 – 30th pick (200th overall) (with WR Randy Moss) – Traded to PHI for LB Tracy White and 2011 74th overall pick QB Ryan Mallett
Round 7 – 31st pick (238th overall) – Traded to KC for S Jarrad Page

BELICHICK DOES IT AGAIN (KIND OF)

Now, the only pick that is left to track is the 62nd overall pick. The Patriots had surrendered their third and fourth-round picks to move up in round 1, and they had traded away their remaining picks for players, so they started dealing. First, they traded with Green Bay, sending them the 62nd pick in exchange for the 90th and 163rd overall picks. Then they traded the 163rd pick back to Green Bay for three late picks – 197th, 224th, and 235th.

So they started here:

2012 62nd overall pick

…and moved to here…

2012 90th overall pick + 2012 197th overall pick + 2012 224th overall pick + 2012 235th overall pick

This isn't as awesome as what the Patriots did in 2009-10 (which they turned a late third-round pick into two second-round picks and other picks) but I still think that the difference in success rate at 62nd vs. 90th is more than made up for by the chances that one of those later picks with work out, too.

ADD IT ALL UP AND WHADDAYA GOT?

2011 Round 1 28th pick (28th overall) + 2012 Round 3 30th pick (93rd overall) = Traded for 2011 56th overall pick (Drafted Cal HB Shane Vereen) + 2012 21st overall pick (Drafted Syracuse DE Chandler Jones)
2011 Round 3 28th pick (92nd overall) + 2011 Round 4 28th pick (125th overall) = Traded for 2011 219th overall pick (Drafted TCU CB Malcolm Williams) + 2012 48th overall pick (Drafted Illinois S Tavon Wilson)
2012 Round 1 31st pick (31st overall) + 2012 Round 4 31st pick (126th overall) = Traded for 2012 25th overall pick (Drafted Alabama LB Dont'a Hightower)
2012 Round 2 30th pick (62nd overall) = Traded for 2012 90th overall pick (Drafted Arkansas DE Jake Bequette) + 2012 197th overall pick (Drafted Ohio State CB Nate Ebner) + 2012 224th overall pick (Drafted Nebraska CB Alfonzo Dennard) + 2012 235th overall pick (Drafted Northwestern WR Jeremy Ebert)
2012 Round 5 31st pick (166th overall) = Traded to CIN for WR Chad Ochocinco (2011-)
2012 Round 6 30th pick (200th overall) + WR Randy Moss = Traded to PHI for LB Tracy White (2010-) + and to MIN for 2011 overall pick (Drafted Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett)
2012 Round 7 31st pick (238th overall) = Traded to KC for S Jarrad Page (2010)



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