CRZ
Big Brother
Administrator
   
   
      
  
Since: 9.12.01
From: ミネアポリス
Since last post: 4 hours
Last activity: 5 min.
|  #1 Posted on 23.10.11 2329.34 | Instant Rating: 9.39 | BCS Standings BCS Prev Harris Int. USA Today Computer Rankings
through 10/23 Avg Week Rank Pts % Rank Pts % Avg 1 2 3 4 5 6 %
1. LSU (8-0) .9702 1 1 2854 .9927 1 1457 .9878 3 3 1 3 2 3 3 .930
2. Alabama (8-0) .9627 2 2 2777 .9659 2 1434 .9722 2 2 3 2 3 2 2 .950
3. Oklahoma State (7-0) .9240 4 3 2559 .8901 4 1301 .8820 1 1 2 1 1 1 11.000
4. Boise State (7-0) .8302 5 5 2410 .8383 5 1213 .8224 5 5 4 4 6 8 6 .830
5. Clemson (8-0) .8240 7 6 2346 .8160 6 1174 .7959 4 6 5 5 4 4 4 .860
6. Stanford (7-0) .8124 8 4 2523 .8776 3 1327 .8997 9 7 6 8 14 21 9 .660
7. Oregon (6-1) .6877 10 7 2136 .7430 7 1121 .7600 12 14 7 12 12 12 12 .560
8. Kansas State (7-0) .6681 11 10 1764 .6136 12 827 .5607 5 4 9 6 5 5 5 .830
9. Oklahoma (6-1) .6642 3 8 1866 .6490 9 964 .6536 7 8 8 7 8 11 14 .690
10. Arkansas (6-1) .6581 9 9 1851 .6438 8 974 .6603 8 12 11 15 7 6 7 .670
11. Michigan State (6-1).5380 16 11 1760 .6122 10 932 .6319 15 18 10 16 17 17 17 .370
12. Virginia Tech (7-1) .5338 12 15 1343 .4671 15 729 .4942 10 11 16 10 9 10 8 .640
13. South Carolina (6-1).5014 14 14 1378 .4793 14 730 .4949 13 10 17 11 11 14 15 .530
14. Nebraska (6-1) .4385 13 13 1508 .5245 13 798 .5410 21 20 13 18 22 23 19 .250
15. Wisconsin (6-1) .4333 6 12 1731 .6021 11 867 .5878 24 24 12 23 -- 25 21 .110
16. Texas A&M (5-2) .4281 17 17 1040 .3617 16 520 .3525 11 13 14 17 10 7 10 .570
17. Houston (7-0) .3676 19 18 975 .3391 18 507 .3437 14 9 -- 9 16 -- 11 .420
18. Michigan (6-1) .3416 18 16 1072 .3729 17 519 .3519 19 15 20 13 21 24 18 .300
19. Penn State (7-1) .3071 21 19 769 .2675 19 448 .3037 17 16 23 14 18 19 16 .350
20. Texas Tech (5-2) .2012 NR 21 407 .1416 22 180 .1220 18 22 15 25 13 13 20 .340
21. Arizona State (5-2) .1633 NR 20 542 .1885 20 253 .1715 23 25 21 22 24 20 24 .130
22. Georgia (5-2) .1594 NR 22 337 .1172 21 208 .1410 22 19 -- 20 20 18 23 .220
23. Auburn (5-3) .1310 20 30 60 .0209 38 3 .0020 15 21 18 -- 15 9 13 .370
24. Texas (4-2) .1187 24 25 152 .0529 26 49 .0332 20 17 -- 19 19 15 22 .270
25. West Virginia (5-2) .0733 15 23 330 .1148 24 155 .1051 30 -- -- -- -- -- -- .000
1 Anderson & Hester
2 Billingsley
3 Colley Matrix
4 Massey
5 Sagarin
6 Wolfe
(edited by CRZ on 24.10.11 2113)
   | Promote this thread! |           | DrDirt
Banger
Since: 8.10.03
From: flyover country
Since last post: 10 days
Last activity: 2 hours
| #2 Posted on 24.10.11 0658.46 | Instant Rating: 9.71 | Not that they will remain undefeated but I doubt if any K-State fan every imagined in their wildest dreams that this team would be 7-0 and 8th in the BCS standings. What they have done this year with the talent they have is pretty amazing. Unfortunately, they get a very upset Oklahoma this week in Manhattan.
Perception is reality | Matt Tracker
Scrapple
Since: 8.5.03
From: North Carolina
Since last post: 9 hours
Last activity: 2 hours
| #3 Posted on 24.10.11 1207.43 | Instant Rating: 7.23 | The locals are going nuts over Clemson's run, but then they have since they were 4-0. The faithful expect to contend every year since they won their lone national title in 1981.
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker | wmatistic
Andouille
Since: 2.2.04
From: Austin, TX
Since last post: 3 hours
Last activity: 3 hours
| AIM: |  |
| | |
| #4 Posted on 24.10.11 1413.24 | Instant Rating: 3.08 | Originally posted by Matt Tracker
The locals are going nuts over Clemson's run, but then they have since they were 4-0. The faithful expect to contend every year since they won their lone national title in 1981.
I've been impressed with that offense for sure, but the defense doesn't seem to be anything special right now. Georgia Tech has been horrible lately, but they're capable of slowing the game down and giving Clemson trouble this week. Be interesting to see if they can keep this going.
| Dutchie
Boerewors
Moderator
Since: 29.1.02
From: PA
Since last post: 71 days
Last activity: 12 hours
| #5 Posted on 24.10.11 1643.46 | Instant Rating: 9.25 | | I have a stupid question. How exactly do these computer ranking systems work and why is so much weight given to them? I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin could lose by 6 on a spectacular Hail Mary to another ranked team and the computers rank them as low as 25 (with one "not even ranked" ranking), yet #3 Oklahoma could lose to an unranked team and still be ranked in the Top 10 in 4 of 6 computer polls (and still no lower than 14). | redsoxnation
Scrapple
Since: 24.7.02
Since last post: 14 days
Last activity: 10 hours
| #6 Posted on 24.10.11 1659.30 | Instant Rating: 5.29 | Originally posted by StegDutchie
I have a stupid question. How exactly do these computer ranking systems work and why is so much weight given to them? I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin could lose by 6 on a spectacular Hail Mary to another ranked team and the computers rank them as low as 25 (with one "not even ranked" ranking), yet #3 Oklahoma could lose to an unranked team and still be ranked in the Top 10 in 4 of 6 computer polls (and still no lower than 14).
Score isn't a factor to computers, and how the game ended means nothing as well. Prior to Michigan State the only team Wisconsin had played that had a pulse was Nebraska. Not arguing that the computers are right, that is just how they come to their decisions.
The universe is close to imploding. Michigan State pulls out a miraculous win and Clemson might not actually implode. What is next, Georgia winning out and knocking off the LSU/Alabama winner in the SEC Title Game to get the entire Screw Up Trilogy into BCS Games? | Mr. Boffo
Scrapple
Since: 24.3.02
From: Oshkosh, WI
Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 1 day
| #7 Posted on 24.10.11 1939.13 | Instant Rating: 7.28 | Originally posted by redsoxnation
Originally posted by StegDutchie
I have a stupid question. How exactly do these computer ranking systems work and why is so much weight given to them? I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin could lose by 6 on a spectacular Hail Mary to another ranked team and the computers rank them as low as 25 (with one "not even ranked" ranking), yet #3 Oklahoma could lose to an unranked team and still be ranked in the Top 10 in 4 of 6 computer polls (and still no lower than 14).
Score isn't a factor to computers, and how the game ended means nothing as well. Prior to Michigan State the only team Wisconsin had played that had a pulse was Nebraska. Not arguing that the computers are right, that is just how they come to their decisions.
Yeah, the BCS computer rankings are not allowed (by BCS rules) to take margin of victory into account. Other than Billingsley, the methodology of the rankings are pretty similar. You can either make predictive rankings (which are about trying to figure out which team is more likely to win in the future) or retrodictive rankings (which is about which team has been more impressive in the games they played). The two things are not quite the same. http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/rate/intention.html has a little chart on how they differ.
As for Oklahoma vs. Wisconsin, it's all strength of schedule. Billingsley does things differently from the other 5 (many would say this as an insult) he has Oklahoma #8 and Wisconsin #12.
Wolfe doesn't list sos for individual teams, but with the other 4, you can see the difference is clearly based on strength of schedule.
* Sagarin ranks Oklahoma's sos #15 and Wisconsin's #108.
* Anderson & Hester rank Oklahoma's sos #15, and Wisconsin's #99.
* Colley has sos at #14 and #117.
* Massey has sos at #9 and #80. | The Thrill
Banger
Since: 16.4.02
From: Green Bay, WI
Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 5 hours
| #8 Posted on 25.10.11 0915.31 | Instant Rating: 5.52 | Welcome home, men of the 2nd Bn, 127th Infantry, 32d "Red Arrow" Brigade, WI Army National Guard! Job well done in Iraq!
These are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
Dammit...one ridiculous Hail Mary, a freakin' INCH over the goal line, and there goes any shot UW had at the nat'l title.
Now they're a half-game back in the Rose Bowl race. Ye gods.
NWA Wisconsin...Live, Local Pro Wrestling!
Now on Facebook! And Twitter!
| Zeruel
Thirty Millionth Hit
Moderator
Since: 2.1.02
From: The Silver Spring in the Land of Mary.
Since last post: 3 hours
Last activity: 1 hour
| #9 Posted on 25.10.11 1301.22 | Instant Rating: 6.98 | Originally posted by The Thrill
These are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
-- 2006 Time magazine Person of the Year --
-- July 2009 Ordained Reverend -- | redsoxnation
Scrapple
Since: 24.7.02
Since last post: 14 days
Last activity: 10 hours
| #10 Posted on 25.10.11 1452.45 | Instant Rating: 3.23 | Originally posted by Zeruel
Originally posted by The Thrill
These are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
You would need to reverse that because Arkansas already lost to Alabama, but do play LSU. That is the Texas/Texas Tech/Oklahoma situation from a few years ago. | Zeruel
Thirty Millionth Hit
Moderator
Since: 2.1.02
From: The Silver Spring in the Land of Mary.
Since last post: 3 hours
Last activity: 1 hour
| #11 Posted on 25.10.11 1540.11 | Instant Rating: 6.21 | Originally posted by redsoxnation
Originally posted by Zeruel
Originally posted by The Thrill
These are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
You would need to reverse that because Arkansas already lost to Alabama, but do play LSU.
Do you even know how hypothetical situations work?
Since you're too caught up in the names of the teams and what they did this year and can not separate them from a fantasy situation, I'll rephrase:
Team A lost only to Team B, Team B lost only to Team C, and Team C lost only to Team A. Rank them.
-- 2006 Time magazine Person of the Year --
-- July 2009 Ordained Reverend -- | redsoxnation
Scrapple
Since: 24.7.02
Since last post: 14 days
Last activity: 10 hours
| #12 Posted on 25.10.11 1556.50 | Instant Rating: 3.23 | Originally posted by Zeruel
Originally posted by redsoxnation
Originally posted by Zeruel
Originally posted by The Thrill
These are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
You would need to reverse that because Arkansas already lost to Alabama, but do play LSU.
Do you even know how hypothetical situations work?
Since you're too caught up in the names of the teams and what they did this year and can not separate them from a fantasy situation, I'll rephrase:
Team A lost only to Team B, Team B lost only to Team C, and Team C lost only to Team A. Rank them.
I do understand hypothetical, but it is better when a situation that realistically can occur is placed in, as the Arkansas beats LSU after LSU beats Alabama who beat Arkansas situation demonstrates. And, a few years ago, Texas/Oklahoma/Texas Tech finished with identical records in a round robin 1-1 situation. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | |
Thread rated: 6.64