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|  #1 Posted on 29.11.09 1859.12 | Instant Rating: 8.85 | BCS Standings BCS Prev Harris Int. USA Today Computer Rankings
through 11/28 Avg Week Rank Pts % Rank Pts % Avg 1 2 3 4 5 6 %
1. Florida (12-0) .9868 1 1 2783 .9851 1 1468 .9953 1 25 24 24 24 25 25 .980
2. Alabama (12-0) .9513 2 3 2651 .9384 3 1380 .9356 1 24 25 25 25 24 24 .980
3. Texas (12-0) .9282 3 2 2682 .9494 2 1394 .9451 4 23 23 23 21 21 22 .890
4. TCU (12-0) .8689 4 4 2473 .8754 4 1285 .8712 5 21 22 21 22 22 21 .860
5. Cincinnati (11-0) .8547 5 5 2343 .8294 5 1231 .8346 3 22 20 22 23 23 23 .900
6. Boise State (12-0) .8096 6 6 2309 .8173 6 1197 .8115 6 20 21 20 20 20 20 .800
7. Oregon (9-2) .7343 8 8 2044 .7235 8 1061 .7193 7 19 19 19 19 19 19 .760
8. Ohio State (10-2) .6882 10 7 2108 .7462 7 1104 .7485 11 17 18 18 11 4 11 .570
9. Iowa (10-2) .6028 11 10 1711 .6057 10 889 .6027 10 18 17 16 10 11 16 .600
10. Georgia Tech (10-2) .5803 7 11 1543 .5462 12 774 .5247 8 16 15 17 17 17 17 .670
11. Penn State (10-2) .5499 13 9 1804 .6386 9 975 .6610 19 13 16 14 2 0 6 .350
12. Virginia Tech (9-3) .5376 14 12 1524 .5395 11 831 .5634 13 11 2 15 15 12 13 .510
13. LSU (9-3) .5139 15 14 1256 .4446 14 674 .4569 9 15 13 12 18 18 18 .640
14. Brigham Young (10-2) .4394 19 13 1263 .4471 13 680 .4610 16 10 14 10 9 3 12 .410
15. Pittsburgh (9-2) .4101 9 15 1250 .4425 15 631 .4278 18 12 4 13 6 10 8 .360
16. Oregon State (8-3) .4070 16 16 1100 .3894 16 607 .4115 15 7 11 7 16 14 10 .420
17. Miami, Fla. (9-3) .3843 17 17 983 .3480 17 509 .3451 14 9 5 11 12 15 14 .460
18. USC (8-3) .3565 20 19 833 .2949 19 361 .2447 12 14 10 9 14 16 15 .530
19. California (8-3) .2392 22 21 580 .2053 22 210 .1424 17 6 9 5 13 13 9 .370
20. Oklahoma State (9-3) .2251 12 20 666 .2358 21 309 .2095 20 8 8 8 0 0 7 .230
21. Houston (10-2) .2204 23 18 849 .3005 18 473 .3207 26 0 0 4 0 0 5 .040
22. Nebraska (9-3) .1491 NR 22 509 .1802 20 335 .2271 26 1 6 3 0 0 0 .040
23. West Virginia (8-3) .1400 NR 25 253 .0896 23 163 .1105 21 5 7 6 4 7 4 .220
24. Stanford (8-4) .1198 NR 23 381 .1349 24 154 .1044 22 3 3 1 7 5 1 .120
25. Utah (9-3) .0707 21 24 285 .1009 25 120 .0814 28 0 12 0 0 0 3 .030
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| #2 Posted on 29.11.09 1914.35 | Instant Rating: 1.11 | Virginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Cincinnati, Oregon, Ohio State, and GT would automatically qualify. Oregon losing would drop them out, and VT would be the 8th team.
This is assuming Texas wins, otherwise Texas gets it.
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| #3 Posted on 29.11.09 1934.51 | Instant Rating: 4.87 | Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Virginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Cincinnati, Oregon, Ohio State, and GT would automatically qualify. Oregon losing would drop them out, and VT would be the 8th team.
This is assuming Texas wins, otherwise Texas gets it.
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| #4 Posted on 29.11.09 2031.39 | Instant Rating: 1.11 | Originally posted by redsoxnation
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Virginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Cincinnati, Oregon, Ohio State, and GT would automatically qualify. Oregon losing would drop them out, and VT would be the 8th team.
This is assuming Texas wins, otherwise Texas gets it.
Why would Va. Tech get a spot ahead of Iowa or Penn State in that scenario, as both are ranked higher than the Hokies and one would be the 2nd Big Ten team?
Because there's 4 at larges and they both can't get the 3rd and 4th? SEC loser, TCU, and one B10 team gets 3 spots, that leaves one open.. Boise?
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Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Because there's 4 at larges and they both can't get the 3rd and 4th? SEC loser, TCU, and one B10 team gets 3 spots, that leaves one open.. Boise?
Yes, Boise. I can't see them being able to justify choosing a 3-loss team ahead of an undefeated Boise.
Your guaranteed BCS slots right now are Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Ohio State, Cincy/Pitt winner, Oregon/Oregon State winner, and GT/Clemson winner. The two remaining slots should go to, in order of how much they deserve it:
Boise (provided they finish undefeated)
Cincy if they lose to Pittsburgh
Iowa or Penn State (I choose Iowa since they won the H-2-H).
However, I think that unless you're a Texas, Iowa or Penn State fan, everyone should root the hell for Nebraska this Saturday. If the Cornhuskers pull off the upset, little mid-major TCU gets to play for the national title, and it would also knock Iowa/Penn State out of contention.
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| #6 Posted on 29.11.09 2042.44 | Instant Rating: 3.08 | | No thanks, I'd like a title game that isn't a squash for once. TCU can have fun in the Orange or something like that. | redsoxnation
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| #7 Posted on 29.11.09 2053.30 | Instant Rating: 4.87 | If Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena.
If Clemson wins the ACC Title Game, does that damage the ACC in terms of the old 'Big East Rule', or does Va. Tech's ranking keep the average up for the year?
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| #8 Posted on 29.11.09 2101.10 | Instant Rating: 3.08 | The ACC amazingly still has several ranked teams, so I don't think they're hurt much this year at all. But boy did they all stink up the field this weekend.
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| #9 Posted on 29.11.09 2101.31 | Instant Rating: 1.11 | Originally posted by redsoxnation
If Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena.
If Clemson wins the ACC Title Game, does that damage the ACC in terms of the old 'Big East Rule', or does Va. Tech's ranking keep the average up for the year?
(edited by redsoxnation on 29.11.09 2156)
Yes, I would see Cincy moving to #2 to face the SEC winner in the title game. I can't see TCU moving up any higher considering they have finished their season and Cincy has a top 15 opponent left (too bad Pitt lost to WVU)
No, Clemson would be ranked if they beat Georgia Tech, possibly in top 20, and it wouldn't hurt them the ranking that bad. It's not like a BC or Wake who hasn't been ranked all year winning the ACC out of nowhere.
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|  #10 Posted on 29.11.09 2134.48 | Instant Rating: 5.63 |
No thanks, I'd like a title game that isn't a squash for once. TCU can have fun in the Orange or something like that.
Note that it's always these big-conference teams that provide the crappy games.
Originally posted by redsoxnation
If Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena.
(edited by redsoxnation on 29.11.09 2156)
If Pitt had beaten West Virginia, then a Cincy win this weekend would clearly have been enough to elevate them into the title game. Pitt's loss, however, puts things into doubt.
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Originally posted by redsoxnation
If Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena.
If Clemson wins the ACC Title Game, does that damage the ACC in terms of the old 'Big East Rule', or does Va. Tech's ranking keep the average up for the year?
That works both ways though. Suppose that Clemson beats Georgia Tech for the ACC title. Then TCU has a win over the ACC champs to hang THEIR hats on. It's also incredibly difficult for Cincy to jump TCU when TCU hasn't done anything to deserve being jumped. (The only other example I can recall - LSU jumping Georgia for the title shot against Ohio State in '07 - you had an easy justification for the jump, since LSU won the conference and Georgia didn't make the conference title game.) Plus, the Big East has always been the bastard stepchild of the big six conferences - remember that as recently as a couple of years ago, there were serious calls for stripping the Big East of their auto-bid - and as I always say, CONGRESS IS WATCHING, so at the end of the day, regardless of what happens elsewhere, I still think Texas loss = TCU national title shot.
Of course, Texas is odds-on to win and this is likely just pointless blather. The important thing is that at the end of the day, both TCU and Boise make it to the dance.
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| #12 Posted on 29.11.09 2224.16 | Instant Rating: 10.00 | If you can say nothing else positive about the BCS, it's done a fine job of creating the impression that making it to the 2nd-5th most important bowls are a monumental achievement for an undefeated team.
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| #13 Posted on 29.11.09 2248.49 | Instant Rating: 5.38 | Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Virginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
No. http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility
Automatic Qualifiers are:
The #1 and #2 ranked teams.
The 6 major conference champions.
One champion from a lesser conference, assuming that team is in the top 12. If more than one team qualifies in this section, only the highest ranked team gets an automatic bid.
Notre Dame if it's in the top 8.
a major conference team that did not win its championship game and is ranked #3 or #4 (as long as this does not violate the 2 BCS teams per conference rule), this rule can only be used for one team.
So that's the 6 major champions, the loser in the SEC (assuming they stay in the top 4), and TCU as automatic qualifiers. And then two at-large bids available to anyone in the top 14. As you say, though, if Texas loses and stays in the top 4, they would have gotten an auto bid except we just gave it to the SEC loser instead.
Let's imagine the worst case scenario: #16 Oregon State beats #7 Oregon. #15 Pittsburgh beats #5 Cincinnati. New Mexico State beats Boise State. #22 Nebraska beats #3 Texas. Clemson beats #10 Georgia Tech. And the SEC game doesn't matter, so let's say #2 Alabama beats #1 Florida.
Alabama plays TCU in the National championship, I guess.
Other auto bids are Florida (see below), Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Nebraska, Clemson, and Ohio State.
#1, #3, #5, #6, #7 all just lost. Let's assume that means Florida only drops to #3, and Texas drops to #4. Florida gets the automatic bid under section 4.
So now we're down to 2 at-large teams among:
Texas, formerly ranked #3 before they lost
Cincinnati, formerly ranked #5 before they lost
Boise State, formerly ranked #6 before they lost
Oregon, formerly ranked #7 before they lost
#9 Iowa
#11 Penn State
#12 Virginia Tech
#13 LSU
#14 BYU
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| #14 Posted on 30.11.09 1004.35 | Instant Rating: 4.99 | Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Virginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
No. http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility
Automatic Qualifiers are:
The #1 and #2 ranked teams.
The 6 major conference champions.
One champion from a lesser conference, assuming that team is in the top 12. If more than one team qualifies in this section, only the highest ranked team gets an automatic bid.
Notre Dame if it's in the top 8.
a major conference team that did not win its championship game and is ranked #3 or #4 (as long as this does not violate the 2 BCS teams per conference rule), this rule can only be used for one team.
So that's the 6 major champions, the loser in the SEC (assuming they stay in the top 4), and TCU as automatic qualifiers. And then two at-large bids available to anyone in the top 14. As you say, though, if Texas loses and stays in the top 4, they would have gotten an auto bid except we just gave it to the SEC loser instead.
Let's imagine the worst case scenario: #16 Oregon State beats #7 Oregon. #15 Pittsburgh beats #5 Cincinnati. New Mexico State beats Boise State. #22 Nebraska beats #3 Texas. Clemson beats #10 Georgia Tech. And the SEC game doesn't matter, so let's say #2 Alabama beats #1 Florida.
Alabama plays TCU in the National championship, I guess.
Other auto bids are Florida (see below), Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Nebraska, Clemson, and Ohio State.
#1, #3, #5, #6, #7 all just lost. Let's assume that means Florida only drops to #3, and Texas drops to #4. Florida gets the automatic bid under section 4.
So now we're down to 2 at-large teams among:
Texas, formerly ranked #3 before they lost
Cincinnati, formerly ranked #5 before they lost
Boise State, formerly ranked #6 before they lost
Oregon, formerly ranked #7 before they lost
#9 Iowa
#11 Penn State
#12 Virginia Tech
#13 LSU
#14 BYU
(edited by Mr. Boffo on 29.11.09 2250)
Again, I'll throw another fly in the ointment- let's say Texas loses, fairly convincingly (10 or more points), and 'Bama beats Florida close, say 38-35 on a last-second FG- do the pollsters keep Florida as a strong #2 and set up a rematch in the title game? I don't think it works the other way round, since Florida is coming in at 1 and 'Bama at 2.
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| #15 Posted on 30.11.09 1011.24 | Instant Rating: 4.87 | | After the campaign Florida had in '06 to get in the Title Game under the No Rematch argument, it'll be tough for them to turn around and scream for a rematch when at least 1 other unbeaten team will be sitting on the board. | Psycho Penguin
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| #16 Posted on 30.11.09 1227.50 | Instant Rating: 1.11 | Yeah, no way they will give us a rematch if they wouldn't in 2006. Boise, TCU, or Cincy would get it.. each would have an argument and things would get interesting then.
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| #17 Posted on 30.11.09 1655.46 | Instant Rating: 4.99 | Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Yeah, no way they will give us a rematch if they wouldn't in 2006. Boise, TCU, or Cincy would get it.. each would have an argument and things would get interesting then.
Cincy I could buy, being from a BCS conference, but I still think, push comes to shove, if the choice is a 1-loss Florida, or even a 1-loss Texas vs. 'Bama or TCU/Boise, I think the little guy may still lose out in the end. It makes for some great controversy and may be the final straw that actually gets a playoff instituted, but I'm still not sure that the system has changed enough to let a deserving non-BCS team get into the Big Game.
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| #18 Posted on 30.11.09 1712.11 | Instant Rating: 1.11 | What would they be scared of? Either the little guy would get crushed or the little guy would win. Either way, it'd kill the 'controversy' once and for all in future years.
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