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                             BCS Prev  Harris Int.    USA Today        Computer Rankings
BCS Standings through 11/14 Avg Week Rank Pts % Rank Pts % Avg 1 2 3 4 5 6 %
1. Florida (10-0) .9833 1 1 2793 .9800 1 1460 .9898 1 25 24 24 24 25 25 .980
2. Alabama (10-0) .9521 2 3 2694 .9453 3 1388 .9410 2 24 25 25 25 23 23 .970
3. Texas (10-0) .9261 3 2 2711 .9512 2 1397 .9471 4 23 23 23 21 21 21 .880
4. TCU (10-0) .8685 4 4 2479 .8698 4 1277 .8658 5 21 22 21 22 22 22 .870
5. Cincinnati (10-0) .8536 5 5 2349 .8242 5 1219 .8264 3 22 21 22 23 24 24 .910
6. Boise State (10-0) .7950 6 6 2317 .8130 6 1183 .8020 7 20 20 19 19 18 19 .770
7. Georgia Tech (10-1) .7716 7 7 2168 .7607 7 1127 .7641 6 19 19 20 20 20 20 .790
8. LSU (8-2) .6648 8 10 1813 .6361 10 956 .6481 8 18 18 14 17 19 18 .710
9. Pittsburgh (9-1) .6569 12 9 1895 .6649 9 997 .6759 10 16 11 16 16 15 16 .630
10. Ohio State (9-2) .6495 11 8 1960 .6877 8 1019 .6908 11 15 16 17 13 8 13 .570
11. Oregon (8-2) .6265 13 11 1699 .5961 11 875 .5932 9 17 17 18 18 17 17 .690
12. Oklahoma State (8-2) .4708 19 13 1408 .4940 13 750 .5085 15 12 13 12 7 2 10 .410
13. Iowa (9-2) .4529 10 14 1176 .4126 15 584 .3959 12 14 14 15 10 12 15 .550
14. Penn State (9-2) .4127 18 12 1467 .5147 12 772 .5234 21 9 12 10 1 0 0 .200
15. Virginia Tech (7-3) .4036 21 16 976 .3425 16 558 .3783 13 11 1 13 14 13 12 .490
16. Wisconsin (8-2) .3583 20 15 1134 .3979 14 630 .4271 19 13 5 11 3 0 6 .250
17. Stanford (7-3) .3406 NR 17 946 .3319 17 516 .3498 17 6 10 3 11 11 7 .340
18. USC (7-3) .2714 9 20 576 .2021 21 239 .1620 14 10 9 9 12 16 14 .450
19. Oregon State (7-3) .2487 23 22 492 .1726 20 256 .1736 16 8 7 7 15 14 11 .400
20. Miami, Fla. (7-3) .1936 14 24 442 .1551 24 156 .1058 18 7 2 8 9 10 8 .320
21. Utah (8-2) .1910 16 21 568 .1993 23 212 .1437 20 5 15 6 2 3 9 .230
22. Brigham Young (8-2) .1874 22 18 793 .2782 18 404 .2739 27 0 8 1 0 0 0 .010
23. Clemson (7-3) .1829 NR 19 578 .2028 19 274 .1858 23 3 0 4 4 6 5 .160
24. Houston (8-2) .1150 15 23 484 .1698 22 229 .1553 26 0 0 5 0 0 2 .020
25. California (7-3) .0935 NR 29 123 .0432 30 55 .0373 21 4 6 2 8 7 3 .200

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Many went into the season thinking USC's offense would be suspect. I don't think anyone thought there defense would become non-existent. And, Pete Carroll can NEVER complain about someone running it up against USC. Now, if USC ever decides to show up for their lower level bowl game, they really will slaughter some unsuspecting 7-5 team.
For once, if Georgia Tech is the ACC champ, the Orange Bowl will be interesting.
If they don't jump on Harbaugh now, Michigan might regret it for a decade. And, he better be in the top 2 of the Notre Dame list.
120 minutes of Charlie left.
The way Florida has been playing lately, if I had any respect in the world for the Florida State defense, I'd think they could get picked off.
The contest for the 2nd Big 10 team in the BCS will be interesting. Despite head to head and being ranked behind them, you would think Penn State gets the nod over Iowa.
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1) he sure CAN, he just looks stupid doing so.

2) VT/Kansas and VT/Cincy weren't more interesting than GT getting destroyed by a team talented enough to stop their offense? Didn't last year's Peach Bowl teach us anything?

3) Why would Harbaugh be in ND's coaching list, they don't go for good college coaches usually unless they're black so they have an excuse to get rid of them quickly. And 120 minutes? Is he not going to coach the bowl game? What if games go to OT?

4) Florida's offense is the problem, FSU's defense is the problem. FSU will hopefully be playing for a bowl bid, so who knows. Go Terps.

Speaking of the Terps, they really fucking piss me off, but the ACC actually isn't a mess. Clemson just needs a win or a loss by BC and they'll face GT in the title game.

The Pac 10 is a mess though. 4 teams can still win the Rose Bowl bid. I still have a feeling Oregon State will sneak in after Arizona beats Oregon, Cal beats Stanford, and Oregon State destroys Oregon. Wouldn't OSU vs OSU in the Rose Bowl be fun?

oh, and NO QUESTION Penn State gets a BCS bid over Iowa. Head to head doesn't mean anything when it comes to the BCS and Wisconsin will cause a 3-way tie more than likely. I'd say Wisconsin has a better chance of a BCS bid than Iowa w/a backup QB.

BCS teams - SEC champ, SEC loser, GT/Clemson, Texas/B12 North winner, Pac 10 champ (Oregon State!), Ohio State, Cincy, TCU, Penn State, Boise State

However, if Pitt beats Cincy and WVU, you'd have to give them a BCS bid for being the champ, and Cincy would deserve one more than Penn State. Yes, the Big East could get 2 BCS bids this year.

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When Notre Dame fires Charlie, I doubt he sticks around for the Blue Bonnet Bowl.
Leahy, Ara, Holtz also had prior college experience.
In terms of the Orange Bowl, I'm talking about interest going into the game. And, I think the option works better against a Big East or Big Ten team than a SEC team.
2 loss Penn State vs. 1 loss Cincy. Remember, ticket sales and TV are all that really matter after the title game.
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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    And 120 minutes? Is he not going to coach the bowl game? What if games go to OT?


There is no game clock in OT, just the play clock. Each play is an untimed down.



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Zeruel - I know that, it was more of a hypothetical.

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    When Notre Dame fires Charlie, I doubt he sticks around for the Blue Bonnet Bowl.
    Leahy, Ara, Holtz also had prior college experience.
    In terms of the Orange Bowl, I'm talking about interest going into the game. And, I think the option works better against a Big East or Big Ten team than a SEC team.
    2 loss Penn State vs. 1 loss Cincy. Remember, ticket sales and TV are all that really matter after the title game.


Leahy, Ara, Holtz... Davie, Willingham, Weis. Notice a distinct pattern here?

Orange Bowl would be GT vs Cincinnati possibly, I know the OB picks first but who else would they pick? They will pick GT if GT wins out (assuming GT isn't in the national title) and Cincy is the one top 10 team that wouldn't destroy GT with a month's preparation. But maybe GT vs SEC loser would be more realistic, and boring.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin


    4) Florida's offense is the problem, FSU's defense is the problem. FSU will hopefully be playing for a bowl bid, so who knows. Go Terps.



FSU with a freshman QB beating Florida, in Tebow's final game in the Swamp would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of that rivalry. I just can't see that happening. This first game for EJ, they didn't ask him to do much of anything because they were able to run at will. They won't be able to get away with that against Florida.

It's beat Maryland, or the bowl streak ends.
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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin

    oh, and NO QUESTION Penn State gets a BCS bid over Iowa. Head to head doesn't mean anything when it comes to the BCS and Wisconsin will cause a 3-way tie more than likely. I'd say Wisconsin has a better chance of a BCS bid than Iowa w/a backup QB.


    (edited by Psycho Penguin on 15.11.09 2310)


Actually the quality of the game itself doesn't determine who goes where. All that matters to the bowl selection committees for each bowl is how well those teams travel (i.e. fan base at the games). This means Iowa absolutely would get a spot over Penn State for sure and probably Wisconsin as well.



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    FSU with a freshman QB beating Florida, in Tebow's final game in the Swamp would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of that rivalry. I just can't see that happening. This first game for EJ, they didn't ask him to do much of anything because they were able to run at will. They won't be able to get away with that against Florida.

    It's beat Maryland, or the bowl streak ends.


It would be nice to ruin FSU's season for a change.

    Originally posted by Doc_whiskey
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin

      oh, and NO QUESTION Penn State gets a BCS bid over Iowa. Head to head doesn't mean anything when it comes to the BCS and Wisconsin will cause a 3-way tie more than likely. I'd say Wisconsin has a better chance of a BCS bid than Iowa w/a backup QB.


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    Actually the quality of the game itself doesn't determine who goes where. All that matters to the bowl selection committees for each bowl is how well those teams travel (i.e. fan base at the games). This means Iowa absolutely would get a spot over Penn State for sure and probably Wisconsin as well.


You think Iowa will travel better than Penn State?



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If Iowa wins out, they should get the BCS birth even though PSU will lose to Michigan State. PSU, USC, Notre Dame and Miami are all teams the non-BCS bowls are salivating at. I actually expect those bowls to be more intriguing then the BCS games. Charlie can not lose another game which I think is doubtful since Stanford is very good. If they do win at least one game then they will go to the Holiday Bowl. FSU may play one for the coach against Florida. The next few weeks will be interesting since I don't think anyone wants to play TCU or Boise St. Pitt will lose to WVU and then beat Cincy to end the Big East claim for 2 spots.

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    You think Iowa will travel better than Penn State?


I know they will. Again, they are one of the best traveling fan bases. Apparantly college football news agrees with me as they think they will get the last BCS spot if they win on Saturday

http://cfn.scout.com/​2/​919992.html (the comment is in the paragraph talking about whether Cinci would still get a BCS spot if they lose to Pitt).

I can show instances in the past where they played in a better bowl then they should have due to the fan base, but I am to lazy to look it up (please don't make me look it up)

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Mandel at SI had this to say:

"The Fiesta Bowl covets Iowa, which has never played there and has a huge local alumni base. However, should the Fiesta select TCU instead, the Orange Bowl would be more likely to tap Penn State."
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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Orange Bowl would be GT vs Cincinnati possibly, I know the OB picks first but who else would they pick? They will pick GT if GT wins out (assuming GT isn't in the national title) and Cincy is the one top 10 team that wouldn't destroy GT with a month's preparation. But maybe GT vs SEC loser would be more realistic, and boring.

The ACC champ automatically goes to the Orange if they don't make the BNC (BCS National Championship). The Big East is the only BCS conference that doesn't have a big bowl tie-in. The SEC loser could only go to the Orange if the Sugar signs off on it, and that will never happen.

I'm holding firm to the notion that both TCU & Boise have to get taken if they both end up undefeated. There are a lot of eyes watching outside the NCAA and if a 12-0 Boise gets snubbed in favor of a two-loss BCS conference team - especially given where Boise started in the BCS standings this year - the shit is going to hit the fan and the NCAA is going to find itself in a ton of Congressional trouble.

So that means your BCS teams are:

Florida & Alabama
Texas
TCU & Boise State
ACC champion (probably Georgia Tech)
Big East champion (winner of Cincinnati/Pittsburgh)
Pac-10 champion (Oregon's the best bet)
Ohio State

That leaves only one spot for the Big East loser, Oklahoma State (who've snuck back into the picture out of nowhere), and the Big Ten runners-up to fight over. I think that spot is in the Fiesta, since I don't think the Fiesta will have the balls to pick both TCU & Boise and pit them against each other. That gives the Pokes the advantage for that last spot if they can get past Oklahoma in two weeks because of the conference affiliation (which trumps any desire the Fiesta may have for Iowa).

My picks right now are:

BNC: Florida vs. Texas
ROSE: Ohio State vs. Oregon
ORANGE: Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati
FIESTA: TCU vs. Oklahoma State
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I agree with your picks except add a State to Oregon's name, but what does "The Big East is the only BCS conference that doesn't have a big bowl tie-in. The SEC loser could only go to the Orange if the Sugar signs off on it, and that will never happen." mean? If the SEC champ goes to the MNC which is probably going to happen now, what say would the Sugar have? They'd automatically get the 2nd place SEC team? I doubt it.

Oh and switch Boise and TCU. Boise travels well to the Fiesta, who likes Boise, and TCU wouldn't travel well to the Fort Worth Bowl so stick them in the Sugar and get the Alabama crowd to carry it.

One more edit - Let me say that Florida/Texas, Alabama/TCU, Boise/Oklahoma State (or Iowa/Penn State), Ohio State/Oregon (State/Stanford), and GT/Cincy (especially this. I always find the OB to be an underrated matchup. VT/Kansas and VT/Cincy were good fun and I considered going to both) would be my favorite BCS lineup of all time and I'd be interested in every game.

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I'd rather see GT/TCU, which is definitely possible.
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The Oran ge Bowl gets first at-large pick, just to clarify. They will take Cincy (if possible) or Penn State before they take TCU. You guys can't say ticket sales are all that matters then start thinking of crazy ideas. GT/TCU would be a fantastic bowl game but just not possible in my opinion.

Hell, I'd rather see TCU in the MNC, but I'm trying to be realistic. I'd rather see TCU/Cincy or TCU/GT but those won't happen either. Fortunately, almost any possible BCS game right now (except if Clemson makes one) would be good in my eyes.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    I agree with your picks except add a State to Oregon's name, but what does "The Big East is the only BCS conference that doesn't have a big bowl tie-in. The SEC loser could only go to the Orange if the Sugar signs off on it, and that will never happen." mean? If the SEC champ goes to the MNC which is probably going to happen now, what say would the Sugar have? They'd automatically get the 2nd place SEC team? I doubt it.

BCS by-law number two breaks down the contractual obligations of the champions of the six BCS conferences to the major bowls, barring their selection to the BNC: ACC to the Orange, Big Ten & Pac-10 to the Rose, Big 12 to the Fiesta, SEC to the Sugar. The Big East has no such tie-in.

BCS by-law number three states, in part, the following:

    Originally posted by BCS by-law #3
    A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following:

    ...

    C. When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents.

If the Florida/Alabama winner is the first team selected to the BNC, then the Sugar would get the first replacement pick and thus would have to implicitly agree to concede the Florida/Alabama loser to another bowl by selecting a different team. If the Fla/Ala winner is the second team selected to the BNC, then this by-law prohibits whichever bowl (presumably the Fiesta) loses the first team selected to pick a SEC team as a replacement pick unless the Sugar agrees to allow it. The only way the Orange Bowl would even be in this position would be if Georgia Tech suddenly ascends to #2, and that's not happening. Barring that scenario, the only way the Orange gets the SEC loser is if both the Fiesta and Sugar pass on that team with their replacement picks - not happening.

    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Oh and switch Boise and TCU. Boise travels well to the Fiesta, who likes Boise, and TCU wouldn't travel well to the Fort Worth Bowl so stick them in the Sugar and get the Alabama crowd to carry it.

Here's the problem with that: The way things will play out, TCU would be an automatic bid and Boise State would be an at-large bid. You'd be setting up a scenario where an at-large non-BCS conference team gets selected first over an automatic-bid non-BCS conference team (whether as a replacement pick or as a final fill-in). I can't see that scenario playing out, especially since the Fiesta would need to run it by the other bowls since they'd be potentially taking a spot away for one of the teams from the BCS conferences that the other bowls might want (even though I think politics will ultimately assert itself otherwise). Boise's past history with the Fiesta doesn't mean squat; otherwise we might have seen 12-0 Boise against Texas last year instead of Boise getting jobbed in favor of Ohio State.

    Originally posted by wmatistic
    I'd rather see GT/TCU, which is definitely possible.

GT/TCU IS possible, but it only happens if the Fiesta takes the Big East champion over Oklahoma State (a conference affiliate) or TCU (much closer in proximity to Glendale than any Big East team). That's not happening for many practical reasons, so we're almost sure to get ACC vs. Big East in the Orange this year.

Let's see what happens this weekend. At this point though, I still think those are our most likely matchups.



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If its all about ticket sales and not matchups then why would they care about choosing a non BCS team over another one so much? Because it's an obscure rule in the book? TCU/Alabama and Boise/team are better ticket matchups than Alabama/Boise and TCU/team, in my opinion, unless you want 'team' to carry the Fiesta by themselves. Unless we're giving Arizona an at large bid now (they still play Oregon and USC, and I think they have 2 losses still..) I don't see how that would play out so well.

Oh and I disagree that "Boise's Fiesta history doesn't mean squat", because they're competing with TCU this year, not Ohio State. I'd think a 2 loss Ohio State as an at large would beat out Boise again for a BCS bid. Iowa can't because the outrage would be extreme, and there's not enough deserving teams compared to last year, when we had a 1 loss top 5 team going to the Cotton Bowl.

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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly

    GT/TCU IS possible, but it only happens if the Fiesta takes the Big East champion over Oklahoma State (a conference affiliate) or TCU (much closer in proximity to Glendale than any Big East team). That's not happening for many practical reasons, so we're almost sure to get ACC vs. Big East in the Orange this year.


Again looking at Mandel's projections, he believes the Fiesta is so in love with Iowa they would select Iowa vs Boise State, leaving the Orange to get TCU/GT. And if they do select TCU instead, he's saying the Orange would then take Penn State.

So yeah, don't bet on ACC vs Big East.
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This is CatastrophicAnnihilation.com top 25
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Rank Last Team Record Rating
1 1 Alabama 10-0 1700.2826 *def #65 Mississippi State
2 2 Florida 10-0 1666.0925 *def #42 South Carolina
3 4 Texas 10-0 1633.6535 *def #74 Baylor
4 5 Cincinnati 10-0 1632.3380 *def #23 West Virginia
5 3 Georgia Tech 10-1 1618.0154 *def #76 Duke

6 7 TCU 10-0 1597.3316 *def #10 Utah
7 6 Boise State 10-0 1586.3989 *def #36 Idaho
8 11 Ohio State 9-2 1532.0610 *def #8 Iowa
9 15 Oregon 8-2 1493.1891 *def #67 Arizona State
10 12 LSU 8-2 1489.9058 *def #97 Louisianna Tech

11 16 Pittsburgh 9-1 1485.6570 *def #26 Notre Dame
12 8 Iowa 9-2 1480.3660 *lost to #11 Ohio State
13 17 Wisconsin 8-2 1463.2895 *def #68 Michigan
14 18 Penn State 9-2 1448.2192 *def #88 Indiana
15 10 Utah 8-2 1442.3972 *lost to #7 TCU

16 9 USC 7-3 1441.0368 *lost to #20 Stanford
17 22 Oklahoma State 8-2 1434.7606 *def #48 Texas Tech
18 20 Stanford 7-3 1422.1136 *def #9 USC
19 19 BYU 8-2 1419.0961 *def #118 New Mexico
20 13 Miami (FL) 7-3 1407.8444 *lost to #39 North Carolina

21 25 Virginia Tech 7-3 1400.4908 *def #109 Maryland
22 14 Houston 8-2 1394.8151 *lost to #73 UCF
23 34 Oregon State 7-3 1372.4806 *def #72 Washington
24 29 Cal 7-3 1370.9692 *def #21 Arizona
25 31 Nebraska 7-3 1355.9755 *def #66 Kansas


Click here for the full 120 team rankings.
Click here to see how this system compares to other ones.

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