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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.49
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Here's how I see it turning out:

    AL Home field: Angels (pretty sure they haven't clinched just yet but I am not sure)
    AL East: Rays (clinched)
    AL Central: Twins
    AL West: Angels (clinched)
    AL Wild Card: Red Sox (clinched)

    NL Home field: Cubs (clinched since about June)
    NL East: Phillies
    NL Central: Cubs (clinched)
    NL West: Dodgers (clinched)
    NL Wild Card: Brewers


You forgot something. :)



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.37
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Here's how I see it turning out:

    AL Home field: Angels (pretty sure they haven't clinched just yet but I am not sure)


They clinched it last night.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.26
    Originally posted by Lexus
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      And now, Hank Steinbrenner is complaining that baseball's divisional setup is unfair. Click Here (mlb.mlb.com)

      That's right....the YANKEES are saying it's too tough in the AL East. Hank, on behalf of Blue Jays fans everywhere, fuck off.


    Granted, I'm biased as a Yankees fan, and I know Hank is full of hot air in saying this because the argument hasn't come out during the past 11 years. However, I do think it's crazy that teams with higher winning percentages than those who do make it into the playoffs have to watch from home.

    Wouldn't adding 4 more slots to the postseason fix this? You can't do it the same way football does with a bye; it cools off your rotation, but more of an NBA style not only prolongs the postseason by about a week and sells more tickets to the deserving teams who made it, but decreases the likelihood of fluke runs too. IE, last year the Red Sox might have actually faced a challenge in the Series rather than pulling a sweep, which has happened a little frequently lately.

    Oh, one last thought; why don't we go with a salary cap while we're at it? Again, might sound crazy coming from a dread Yanks fan, but hell, it only makes sense.


Considering what happened in 2000 Hank should just STFU. The Yanks went to the playoffs that year (and won the World Series) when Cleveland stayed at home despite having a better record than NY. No complaints then from the Brother Bilo of the Steinbrenner family.

As for adding more teams to the playoffs, if they ever get 16 teams in the AL (just as the NL has) I can see going to 4 Divisions with 1 wild card for each league. I don't think any more teams should be added to the playoffs after that. I know an odd-number of teams would create a bye situation, but maybe you could do the WC team vs the Division winner in a best of 3 series? That would reduce the layoff time somewhat, or maybe even just a 1 game playoff?



(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 27.9.08 1328)

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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
Seems like we've been here before, but the final day for the NL is set:

Philadelphia won, and clinched the NL East. The Mets won, and the Brewers lost, so they're in a dead tie for the Wild Card. Mets host Florida on Sunday (Oliver Perez going for the Mets, on 3-days rest against Scott Olsen), and the Brewers host the Cubs (CC Sabathia, again on 3-days rest against Victor Zambrano). Both win, or both lose, and we have a playoff in New York on Monday night. Otherwise, it's winner-take-all. If the Mets win, the NL Playoffs are Cubs-Mets, Phillies-Dodgers. If Milwaukee gets the Wild Card, it's Cubs-Dodgers, Phillies-Brewers.

The AL still has a little more work to do. Minnesota's currently losing to Kansas City, so if that result holds, the White Sox have a chance to turn over their .5 game deficit. If play ends tomorrow with the Sox still within a half-game of the Twins, then they will play a makeup game against Detroit on Sunday. The AL matchups are set though- Anaheim vs. Boston, and Tampa Bay against either Minnesota or Chicago.

God, it's a replay of last year. Warm thoughts of Johan Santana throwing a 3-hit complete game shutout on short rest today will clash with the horrible memories of Tom Glavine going out and basically doing absolutely nothing last year.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon

    The Mets just lost a game where they had a man on third with none out for three consecutive innings, and only a walk allowed them to get one run in those situations. A second would have pulled them even in the loss column with the Phillies; instead they're now tied with the Brewers in the WC race. And this was against a team with nothing to play for that didn't use its best relievers.

    If this were an isolated incident, that wouldn't mean much, but it isn't.

    I'm not saying they're being managed poorly per se. But they can't seem to get anything done when the chips are down. Does a new manager from outside the organization fix that? I don't know, but I think that if they don't really accomplish anything here (like winning a couple of big games, if not taking a playoff series) then I'm going to be ready to give it a shot.

    (edited by Peter The Hegemon on 25.9.08 2238)


Very true. The Mets have played like that all season. I've noticed when they play on ESPN the announcers make the mistake of saying David Wright is great in those situations. I mean normally he is, but even he has been horrible in clutch situations this season. I think if people disliked him like they did A-Rod he would get probably get a similar reaction from the media this season.

If anybody believes that has to do with coaching then fair enough, hire a new coach. But like you said I don't know if it's a coaching problem or a player problem and unfortunately I think all of the Mets problems could be on their players and not their coaches so is firing the coach fair? Is it going to fix anything? I don't know. On the one hand I think a big shake up like a new coach and trading Reyes would be interesting, but on the other hand they're close to being a really good team and it's possible making big chances is a setback. I'm not worried about Johan or Wright or even Delgado, but the rest of the team I'm not sure would respond well to a big change but then again they might need a big change in order to change that. Basically I'm just rambling now because I have no idea what the heck they should do.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    Brewers host the Cubs (CC Sabathia, again on 3-days rest against Victor Zambrano).


Wrong Zambrano. Although that would explain the last two starts.

With the White Sox being destroyed tonight (7-1 as I write this, though there's still time left), the Twins and the White Sox are still exactly where they were when their series ended: MIN by .5.

If the Twins win tomorrow and the White Sox lose, it's over. Otherwise, Tigers have one more trip and one more game on Monday with a season on the line. I wonder how they'll play it.



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
    Originally posted by thecubsfan

    Wrong Zambrano. Although that would explain the last two starts.



Doesn't matter anymore, it's been changed to Angel Guzman, making his first start since May '07. Apparently Zambrano wanted a side day instead of what would have been only an inning or 2 of work.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
When over-managing backfires: Bring in Schoenweis to face Jacobs, then have the Marlins put Helms up and he hits the go ahead/game winning home run. Then, since Dan Uggla can't hit a left hander and kills right handed pitching, take Schoenweis out and bring in Ayala, which reminds us that His Name Is Dan Uggla.
Bright side for Gary Cohen: He gets extra time during the off-season to think of jokes about the ears of Marlins reliever Nelson, while Nelson gets an off-season thinking about getting the win that knocked the Mets out of the playoffs.
Arthur Rhodes coming in in the 8th to face Delgado scared me to death. First time I believe that a member of the Orioles arson squad of years gone by actually got a big out.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.97

I texted a Mets friends and just said "Arthur Rhdoes. Noo!"

He suggested that sabathia, if necessary, probably would have pitched tomorrow.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.39
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    When over-managing backfires: Bring in Schoenweis to face Jacobs, then have the Marlins put Helms up and he hits the go ahead/game winning home run. Then, since Dan Uggla can't hit a left hander and kills right handed pitching, take Schoenweis out and bring in Ayala, which reminds us that His Name Is Dan Uggla.


So... How does this make sense? How does this make any sense?

EDIT:
    Originally posted by It's False
    If the organization started fresh with Manuel in the first place, the Mets might not have had this happen to them. With that in mind, they have to start fresh and fire Manuel now.


Wait: what?

(edited by hansen9j on 28.9.08 2046)


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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.28
So another Mets collapse is in the books. Question obviously becomes...whose head rolls for this?

Jose Reyes has to go. Going 2 for 13 in a big series when his team needs him the most is just awful. And it's already been mentioned that he has a habit of disappearing during clutch situations. The stench of failure is all over him now and the Mets could do with a new lead-off man. I see Reyes getting traded before the '09 season starts.

The bullpen has to get completely shuffled. Schoenweis, in particular, choked a lot of games away during the blunderful run of September and needs to be one of the first to go. The Mets faithful won't have any confidence in this crew unless it is completely purged in the offseason. But it's hardly ALL their fault, as a potent offense could have covered for their shortcomings. Where to begin? Well, Francisco Rodriguez is a free agent and he and the Angels seem to be on the outs...

Carlos Delgado is a maybe. He's arguably the team MVP, but he disappeared at various points in this collapse (save for that HUGE Grand Slam against the Cubs earlier this week). The Mets fans also weren't very fond of him to begin with, so if the organization needs another goat, he might fit the bill.

Jerry Manuel definitely has to go. It isn't even so much that the Mets choked for the second straight September, though that's a huge part of it. But let's look at what happened after last year's disaster. The organization stuck with Willie Randolph and the team went right back to swirling the toilet, which arguably doomed them from the start. If the organization started fresh with Manuel in the first place, the Mets might not have had this happen to them. With that in mind, they have to start fresh and fire Manuel now.

For the love of God, though, I just hope the organization has enough decency to not fire him at 3 am.




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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
*Sigh*

Went to the Met game today. Had to watch the lineup whiff like crazy. Beltran finally gets a clutch home run, only to watch it get wasted by the bullpen yet again. Hell of a way to celebrate my b-day.

Still, the closing ceremony for Shea was nice. Seeing Seaver and Piazza walk to centerfield and close the gate was a interesting way to end it. It was nice to be in Shea one last time, even if it didn't work out the way we hoped. Changes will have to be made for this, but I really don't know where to start. Looking nearby at Citifield, I just hope that things will be better next year.

Goodbye, Shea Stadium. There have been few places that have brought joyful memories to me over the years. It will never be the same to me.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.79
First post explained that Hank has little room to talk.

The Mets bullpen carries a little more blame than the offense. I mean, something had to have carried them to a position to vy for a playoff spot to begin with other than Johan Santana. Look for the Mets to go after pitching, pitching, and more pitching during the offseason.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
I just heard on sports radio that the Sox/Tigers game has been delayed two hours today because of heavy rain. I jsut checked the radar out there and there's a shitload of rain heading ChiTown's way. If this shit keeps up, they would have to move the game to tomorrow, and if the WhiSox beat Detroit, they would have to play the second game tomorrow, too, against the Twins.
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Really? They'd play them both tomorrow? Are the Twins already in Chicago?




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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
Well, what they were saying is that both games WOULD have to be played tomorrow. And, no, the Twins are at the Metrodome today to watch the Tigers/Sox game, with flight plans to ChiTown tonight if need be.
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
So there will be a 163rd game for the Chi Sox and the Twins tommorrow night. I got Minnesota, though I can't help but think that no matter who wins, they will be pretty worned out going against a well rested Rays team.





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