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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
Better late than never, for me. We're in the home stretch of the season and a few races are still close. These are the standings going into Monday:

AL EAST
Tampa Bay 92-62 - -- (This week: @Baltimore, @Detroit)
Boston 91-64 - 1.5 GB (This week: Indians, New York)

Congrats to the Rays for making the playoffs this year. Furthermore, with their records against the Sox (both Red and White) and the Angels, they're the team to beat. Can they handle the pressure? That season-ending series between the Red Sox and Yankees suddenly doesn't mean like a whole hell of a lot anymore, does it?

AL CENTRAL
Chicago 86-69 - -- (This week: @Minnesota, Cleveland)
Minnesota 84-72 - 2.5 GB (This week: Chicago, Kansas City)

As we all suspected, it'll all come down to the head-to-head series that starts Tuesday. If the Twins can take two of three, I like their chances. I don't know if the Sox will be able to pick it up against the jaded Indians.

AL WEST
Los Angeles of Anaheim 96-59 - --

Four more wins and the Angels finish with their first 100-win season in franchise history. It'll mean jack if they make another early playoff exit, though.

AL WILD CARD
Boston --
New York 6.5 GB

The Yankees' magic number is one and could be out by the end of Monday. This slot either goes to the Red Sox or the Rays.

NL EAST
Philadelphia 88-68 - -- (This week: Atlanta, Washington)
New York 86-69 - 1.5 GB (This week: Chicago, Florida)

To say the least, the schedule favors the Phillies. Mets fans need to cross their fingers and hope the Brewers match the Mets' collapse game-for-game. May the "best" bullpen win.

NL CENTRAL
Chicago 94-60 - --

What's better than clinching the division for the second year in a row? Potentially breaking another fanbase's heart for once. The Cubs get the Mets and the Brewers to finish out the season and they're in prime position to play spoiler for either team.

NL WEST
Los Angeles 81-75 - -- (This week: @San Diego, @San Francisco)
Arizona 78-77 - 2.5 GB (This week: @St. Louis, Colorado)

As a Dodgers fan, I don't like where this is going. The Cardinals and Rockies have all but given up while the Padres and Giants love to put a wrench to any L.A. playoff run. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the D-Backs steal the division at the very end.

NL WILD CARD
New York - --
Milwaukee - 1.5 GB
Houston - 4 GB
Florida - 5.5 GB

I could talk about the race between the Brewers and Mets, over who can lose the least. But more interesting, is this article where the Astros vent about getting hosed last week by being given "home" games in Milwaukee on zero sleep in the midst of a hurricane.


    "The thing is we had days at the end of the season that we could have played a single game plus a doubleheader if need be," Brocail said, according to the Chronicle. "And to make us go up and play at North Wrigley like we had to on no sleep, it was absolutely ridiculous. If it was New York or Boston, it would have been played at the end of the season.


Yeah, that sounds about right.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.87
    Originally posted by It's False


    I could talk about the race between the Brewers and Mets, over who can lose the least. But more interesting, is this article where the Astros vent about getting hosed last week by being given "home" games in Milwaukee on zero sleep in the midst of a hurricane.


      "The thing is we had days at the end of the season that we could have played a single game plus a doubleheader if need be," Brocail said, according to the Chronicle. "And to make us go up and play at North Wrigley like we had to on no sleep, it was absolutely ridiculous. If it was New York or Boston, it would have been played at the end of the season.


    Yeah, that sounds about right.



If, if, if...

I can see his point, but IF the Astros had actually won a game or two or at least made a showing, this would be a non-issue. Instead, they got ONE HIT over two games and now need an excuse. This has happened plenty of times in the past during hurricanes or roofs collapsing.
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    Originally posted by It's False
    NL WEST
    Los Angeles 81-75 - -- (This week: @San Diego, @San Francisco)
    Arizona 78-77 - 2.5 GB (This week: @St. Louis, Colorado)

    As a Dodgers fan, I don't like where this is going. The Cardinals and Rockies have all but given up while the Padres and Giants love to put a wrench to any L.A. playoff run. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the D-Backs steal the division at the very end.

It was an ugly weekend for the Blue, but I don't think it's over. The 15-8 embarassment in Pittsburgh shook the hell out of them, and they didn't get a day to catch their breath and regroup. That led to the game they barely won against Pittsburgh, getting embarassed by the Giants on Friday; dominating, but still giving up 7 runs to them on Saturday; and then standing around and doing nothing on Sunday. (Though they got ROBBED by the suddenly Gold Glove defense of the Giants.) They needed a break BAD, and thankfully they got it today.

If the Cardinals take the first three, and we take the first two against SD, we can have this thing wrapped up before we even have to face Peavy on Thursday.

Cards and D-backs are tied at 1, top of the 4th, as I type this.
EDIT: 2-1 D-backs. Ugh. I'll shut up now.
2ND EDIT: Dammit.

(edited by SchippeWreck on 22.9.08 1832)

(edited by SchippeWreck on 22.9.08 2032)

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by It's False
    That season-ending series between the Red Sox and Yankees suddenly doesn't mean like a whole hell of a lot anymore, does it?


Not to us Yankee fans.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
    Originally posted by Lexus
      Originally posted by It's False
      That season-ending series between the Red Sox and Yankees suddenly doesn't mean like a whole hell of a lot anymore, does it?


    Not to us Yankee fans.


It's funny the way some Yankees fans are. Well, at least the ones I work with anyway. They have been so despondent over the Yanks not making the playoffs for the past week. Now that the BoSox lost monday night and the Yanks have a 5-win streak, they somehow believe that they will win out, including three straight at Fenway to overtake Boston for the wildcard. I know they're still technically in the hunt, but you're kidding yourself if you think what the Rockies did last year is doable again with the Yanks.

As for my Mets, I must admit that it really feels sucky to think playoffs, even with the W.C. lead. We just have to pray that home advantage actually means something to them this time and that the Brew Crew stay in disarray long enough to secure the W.C. I think the Mets will get in, but they don't look long for the playoffs once it starts.

That being said, a friend and I were having a interesting conversation about Jerry Manuel. We have been hearing that if the Mets make the playoffs, he would be the favorite for manager of the year. My friend says that just for bringing the Mets back into contention, he should stay as manager next year. However, on Mike'd Up, Mike Francesa made a point that if the Mets fail to make the playoffs, Manuel has to go. The reasoning being (which I agree with) is that it would be two straight years of the Mets being in front in September only to fold and that moving to a new ballpark with the same team that has blown it twice will kill the attendance of Citifield. Mets ownership can't afford to have middle of the road Met fans not attend the new ballpark, which might happen since they will get sick of seeing the same thing happen over again. So I guess what I'm asking is: what do you think? Does Manuel deserve to come back, no matter what, just for getting the Mets back into playoff contention? Or does he have to win a playoff to save his job, otherwise knowing that the team will be altered greatly if they don't, him included?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.50
    Originally posted by supersalvadoran
    However, on Mike'd Up, Mike Francesa made a point that if the Mets fail to make the playoffs, Manuel has to go. The reasoning being (which I agree with) is that it would be two straight years of the Mets being in front in September only to fold and that moving to a new ballpark with the same team that has blown it twice will kill the attendance of Citifield. Mets ownership can't afford to have middle of the road Met fans not attend the new ballpark, which might happen since they will get sick of seeing the same thing happen over again. So I guess what I'm asking is: what do you think? Does Manuel deserve to come back, no matter what, just for getting the Mets back into playoff contention? Or does he have to win a playoff to save his job, otherwise knowing that the team will be altered greatly if they don't, him included?


Well I'm not sure that Jerry Manuel should be the number one choice for the coaching job I don't agree with the reasoning above. Yes the Mets were ahead in September the past two years and lost but last year and this year are MUCH different. The Mets aren't "choking" like they did last year, they just have a weakness on their team. They didn't lose a 7 game lead the last three weeks of the season, they lost a 3.5 game lead in three weeks. Any team could lose a 3.5 game lead in three weeks just by having a normal bad week.

The offense is playing pretty well, the starters are playing pretty well. They haven't completely fallen apart and made boneheaded plays like last year. They just have a bullpen that sucks. If the bullpen is good at all the Mets win the division by at least 5 games. How is it Manuel's fault that Minaya hasn't gotten any relief help? Heck, the Mets could win the division simply if Wagner or Maine (that extra spot in the starting pitching has been rough since he got injured) doesn't get injured and I don't think it was Manuel's fault that Wagner and Maine got injured.

I think regardless of what happens he should at least be in the running for manager next year. I don't know who the other candidates are though so I'm not sure if he should definitely get the job.

I guess if you can get any good news from today it is that John Maine says he's ready to go. I imagine they'll use him in the bullpen, he's looks like their last hope.



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#7 Posted on
    Originally posted by It's False


    I could talk about the race between the Brewers and Mets, over who can lose the least. But more interesting, is this article where the Astros vent about getting hosed last week by being given "home" games in Milwaukee on zero sleep in the midst of a hurricane.


      "The thing is we had days at the end of the season that we could have played a single game plus a doubleheader if need be," Brocail said, according to the Chronicle. "And to make us go up and play at North Wrigley like we had to on no sleep, it was absolutely ridiculous. If it was New York or Boston, it would have been played at the end of the season.


    Yeah, that sounds about right.




Speaking on behalf of the Expos Exiles, only until you've played several "home" games in a different COUNTRY you have the right to complain about getting shafted with schedules during a playoff stretch drive. Keep in mind this is WITHOUT talking about the Big (n)O's roof falling apart once every three months. No Astros fans nor their owner/management team complain about the treatment our boys got, so none of them are getting any sympathy from me.

Also, as stated before, ONE HIT over two games? You'd think that after the first one they'd fidn their bearings. Maybe they should consider that the Cubs simply outplayed them for those two games.

Anyways, looking good for the Cubbies this year. Of course, because I chose them as my new team before the season starts that inevitably means disaster will strike them.

(edited by El Nastio on 23.9.08 0737)

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.06
    Originally posted by supersalvadoran
    It's funny the way some Yankees fans are. Well, at least the ones I work with anyway. They have been so despondent over the Yanks not making the playoffs for the past week. Now that the BoSox lost monday night and the Yanks have a 5-win streak, they somehow believe that they will win out, including three straight at Fenway to overtake Boston for the wildcard. I know they're still technically in the hunt, but you're kidding yourself if you think what the Rockies did last year is doable again with the Yanks.
I can't say that I believe the Yanks will win out while Boston loses out, but it's one of those "hey, I might win the lottery this time" type of dreams, anyway. In this season of shit, it's a nice thought. Since NY has to face Burnett and Halladay, the likelihood of it happening is about the same as the Yanks re-signing The Rajah of Rehab, Carl Pavano.

Also, if you don't think Mussina/Pettitte/Aceves (no, I am conveniently not mentioning the American Idle and Ponson) and the offense stacks up against Cook/Francis/Fogg and the Rockies thumpers from last season...well, it is certainly possible. Even us spoiled Yankees fans can dare to dream.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
When the ball hit the umpire and cost the Red Sox at least 1 run in a game they lost by 1, I'm not getting good feelings. The division is gone, that's fine at this point. Just, for the love of God, don't screw around and let this weekend mean anything. If that means letting Lowell pinch hit, do it, and then pinch run for him if he reaches. At least it is Burnett and Halladay pitching the last 2 games of the series for Toronto, with both needing it to either get to 20 wins or to have a shot at 20 wins if Burnett pitches on short rest over the weekend.
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Quezzy, your point about the bullpen is well taken, but, still, can you really say that Manuel wasn't given enough talent to, say, win two out of three over the Washington Nationals? They're losing to teams that are flat-out inferior.

I don't know if Manuel's at all responsible, but he certainly doesn't seem at this moment to know how to solve the problem. He's got a little time left to show that he does. I hope he does, both as a Met fan and for his own sake.

If they don't show some improvement, they have to consider trading Reyes. I hate to say that, but he just seems to fall apart when September comes. The sad thing is, I know wherever he goes, he'll be better in future Septembers--but that doesn't mean he'll get better if he stays in Queens. Of course, you have to get value for him, but I think they at least would need to test the waters.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Quezzy, your point about the bullpen is well taken, but, still, can you really say that Manuel wasn't given enough talent to, say, win two out of three over the Washington Nationals? They're losing to teams that are flat-out inferior.



I don't see anything that suggests they can't play in September or they are being coached poorly.
1. They lost 2 of 4, not 2 of 3 to the Nats and they beat the Nats twice the week before that. They scored 39 runs in the 4 wins. That's not losing to flat out inferior talent. A better team never loses 2 out of 6 games to an inferior team?
2. They did lose 4 of 6 to the Braves but three of those loses are on the bullpen I talked about. 2 - 0 lead in the 8th in game 1, 4 - 2 lead in the 9th in Game 2, 4 - 2 lead in the 7th in game 4.
3. All their other games this month have been against playoff contenders. They did lose 2 of 3 to the Phillies but they won the season series. They swept the Brewers and at the time the Brewers had won 8 of 9, not their current poor play.

    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    If they don't show some improvement, they have to consider trading Reyes. I hate to say that, but he just seems to fall apart when September comes. The sad thing is, I know wherever he goes, he'll be better in future Septembers--but that doesn't mean he'll get better if he stays in Queens. Of course, you have to get value for him, but I think they at least would need to test the waters.


Before Delgado started hitting I thought the Mets should make some big moves this offseason with only Wright and Santana being off limits. I'm okay with Delgado now I suppose and I do like Maine/Pelfrey/Perez but I have no problem with seeking trades for Reyes or Beltran.

I know some people question how good he would be out of Coors Field but I wouldn't mind seeing Matt Holliday playing in the new ballpark.

EDIT: On a side note the Mets have extended Minaya for 4 years, which I definitely don't agree with. Getting Johan was great (but a pretty obvious move). Beltran has been ALRIGHT. I'm not as critical on the Pedro deals as others but it certainly hasn't gone as I'm sure he imagined. He did get Maine and Perez for pretty much nothing and signed Wagner but hasn't addressed needs at the trade deadline in the past two years.

(edited by Quezzy on 23.9.08 1651)


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I'm not thinking playoff implications for the Yankees at all, though the lighting strike while winning the lottery while discovering a U.F.O. while 1,000 chimps churn out the complete works of Shakespeare like odds are better than none at all. I'm totally thinking the Yankees sweeping a regular season series with the BoSux.



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    Originally posted by supersalvadoran
    It's funny the way some Yankees fans are. Well, at least the ones I work with anyway. They have been so despondent over the Yanks not making the playoffs for the past week. Now that the BoSox lost monday night and the Yanks have a 5-win streak, they somehow believe that they will win out, including three straight at Fenway to overtake Boston for the wildcard. I know they're still technically in the hunt, but you're kidding yourself if you think what the Rockies did last year is doable again with the Yanks.


And thankfully, the Red Sox polished off the Indians to end any possible last-second Yankees threat. Lord knows we didn't need THAT to be the big story this weekend.




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
    Originally posted by Quezzy

    EDIT: On a side note the Mets have extended Minaya for 4 years, which I definitely don't agree with. Getting Johan was great (but a pretty obvious move). Beltran has been ALRIGHT. I'm not as critical on the Pedro deals as others but it certainly hasn't gone as I'm sure he imagined. He did get Maine and Perez for pretty much nothing and signed Wagner but hasn't addressed needs at the trade deadline in the past two years.

    (edited by Quezzy on 23.9.08 1651)


You nailed it right on the head. I don't like this at all not because Minaya is a bad GM. He has been decent, but I think it could be argued that some of his deals have been iffy (like giving Castillo a 4-yr contract, which looks awful now. I went to the Met game tonight and the crowd was turning on him as though he alone was killing the Mets chances). The reason I don't like the extension is that it is too early to be rewarding him or anyone else before the season is settled. If the Mets suffer another collapse, how does it look good that they blame the players and maybe the coach, but award the man who bulit that very team? I still believe that if they fall out of the playoffs, a lot of changes might have to be made to keep the team competitive and the fans interested, including changes at the top.



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This is something by the Metropolitans that makes no sense: They are holding the final ceremonies for Shea after the final game. Now, if they were to clinch a playoff berth that day, are Cohen and Rose going to grab a microphone and tell the fans and players to stop the jocularity because the ceremonies must begin? And, if they were ever to get knocked out on the last day, are they to grab a microphone and tell the fans to take a break from burning the place down while they introduce the Wilpon family? Could be extremely bizarre.
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    This is something by the Metropolitans that makes no sense: They are holding the final ceremonies for Shea after the final game. Now, if they were to clinch a playoff berth that day, are Cohen and Rose going to grab a microphone and tell the fans and players to stop the jocularity because the ceremonies must begin? And, if they were ever to get knocked out on the last day, are they to grab a microphone and tell the fans to take a break from burning the place down while they introduce the Wilpon family? Could be extremely bizarre.


If it ends with them clinching, I'm sure no one would have an issue waiting to start the ceremonies, though you're right, it'll make for an interesting afternoon if Sunday really IS the last game at Shea. (For the record, if the Wild Card ends in a Brewers/Mets tie, the playoff would be at Shea. A playoff for the NL East would be in Philly)



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And now, Hank Steinbrenner is complaining that baseball's divisional setup is unfair. Click Here (mlb.mlb.com)

That's right....the YANKEES are saying it's too tough in the AL East. Hank, on behalf of Blue Jays fans everywhere, fuck off.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    And now, Hank Steinbrenner is complaining that baseball's divisional setup is unfair. Click Here (mlb.mlb.com)

    That's right....the YANKEES are saying it's too tough in the AL East. Hank, on behalf of BASEBALL fans everywhere, fuck off.

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    Originally posted by It's False
    That season-ending series between the Red Sox and Yankees suddenly doesn't mean like a whole hell of a lot anymore, does it?

It would if the schedule-maker hadn't had his head up his own ass and scheduled it for Yankee Stadium - where it belonged - instead of Fenway. The Red Sox opened the Stadium with the Yankees 85 years ago; they damn well should have closed it too.



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Going into tonight's White Sox vs. Twins game the margin between the two teams is now 1.5 games. I have spent the last 12 hours rocking back and forth like a lunatic, and have been listening to almost nothing but music from the "Rocky" soundtracks and "Don't Stop Believin'" all day to try and keep my spirits up going into what I fear could be the second game of a crushing sweep by the Twins.

I hate the Metrodome. I don't care if their payroll doubles with the new stadium, it will be worth it just to make them leave that nightmare house of horrors.



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