I believe the timeframe covers either November to October or December to November. (Justin can probably confirm the dates.) Note that some of the overall awards are available to both wrestling and MMA organizations.
Lou Thesz/Ric Flair Award (Wrestler of the Year) 1. John Cena 2. Bryan Danielson (ROH) 3. Hiroshi Tanahashi (New Japan)
MMA Most Valuable 1. Randy Couture 2. Quinton Jackson 3. Chuck Liddell
Most Outstanding Fighter of the Year 1. Quinton Jackson 2. Anderson Silva 3. Randy Couture
Best Box Office Draw 1. John Cena 2. Chuck Liddell 3. Mistico (CMLL)
Feud of the Year 1. Undertaker vs. Batista 2. Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima (ROH) 3. Briscoes vs. Steen & Generico (ROH)
Tag Team of the Year 1. Mark & Jay Briscoe 2. Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley 3. Kevin Steen & El Generico
Most Improved 1. MVP 2. Claudio Castagnoli 3. Tomko (Of note: MVP won by a landslide, with almost 4 times as many votes as Castagnoli; last year's winner Takeshi Morishima finished 4th this year.)
Best on Interviews 1. John Cena 2. Santino Marella 3. Edge
Most Charistmatic 1. John Cena 2. Quinton Jackson 3. Cibernetico (AAA)
Best Technical Wrestler 1. Bryan Danielson 2. Nigel McGuinness 3. Yuji Nagata (New Japan)
Bruiser Brody Memorial Award (Best Brawler) 1. Takeshi Morishima 2. Umaga 3. Samoa Joe
Best Flying Wrestler 1. Mistico 2. Ricky Marvin (NOAH) 3. Jack Evans
Most Overrated 1. Great Khali 2. Mr. Kennedy 3. HHH
Most Underrated 1. Shelton Benjamin 2. Jamie Noble 3. Paul London (Of note: Benjamin has won three years in a row.)
Promotion of the Year 1. UFC 2. ROH 3. WWE
Best Weekly TV Show 1. The Ultimate Fighter 2. WWE Raw 3. WWE Smackdown
Worked Match of the Year 1. Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshia Morishima (August 25) (ROH) 2. Kenta & Taiji Ishimori vs Kota Ibushi & Naomichi Marufuji (July 15) (NOAH) 3. Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness (June 9) (ROH) (Of note: the top 3 WWE matches were the RAW Cena/Michaels (#4), Rumble Cena/Umaga (#5), Backlash Cena/Michaels/Edge/Orton (#7)
Shoot Match of the Year 1. Randy Couture vs. Tim Syliva (UFC) 2. Nick Diaz vs. Takanori Gomi (Pride) 3. Tyson Griffin vs. Clay Guida (UFC)
Rookie of the Year 1. Erick Stevens (ROH/FIP) 2. Joe Doering (All Japan) 3. Tim Donst (Chikara)
Best Non-Wrestler 1. Larry Sweeney (ROH) 2. Vince McMahon 3. Jim Cornette
Best Television Announcer 1. Jim Ross 2. JBL 3. Joe Rogan (UFC)
Worst Television Announcer 1. Don West 2. Michael Cole 3. Jonathan Coachman
Best Major Wrestling Show 1. ROH Man Up 2. Wrestlemania 3. Pride Second Coming
Worst Major Wrestling Show 1. ECW December to Dismember 2. TNA Lockdown 3. Unforgiven
Best Wrestling Maneuver 1. Kenta - Go 2 Sleep 2. Randy Orton - running soccer kick 3. Petey Williams - Canadian Destroyer (Of note: Kenta's move was also used by CM Punk as his finisher as well.)
Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic 1. TNA Signing Pacman Jones/Pacman "making it rain" 2. Vince McMahon's fake death 3. WWE's entire handling of post-Benoit re: steroids
Worst Television Show 1. TNA Impact 2. WWE ECW 3. WWE Raw
Worst Match of the Year 1. Chris Harris vs. James Storm, Blindfold Match, TNA Lockdown 2. Fake Donald Trump vs. Fake Rosie O'Donnell 3. Great Khalie vs. Kane, Wrestlemania
Worst Feud of the Year 1. Kane vs. Big Daddy V 2. VKM vs. Christy hemme 3. Eric Young vs. Robert Roode
Worst Promotion of the Year 1. TNA 2. WWE 3. International Fight League
Best Booker 1. Gabe Sapolsky (ROH) 2. Joe Silva (UFC) 3. Riki Choshu (New Japan)
Promoter of the Year 1. Dana White (UFC) 2. Vince McMahon (WWE) 3. Cary Silkin (ROH)
Best Gimmick 1. Santino Marella 2. Black Machismo Jay Lethal 3. MVP (Of note: Santino had over 6 times as many votes as Lethal.)
Worst Gimmick 1. Black Reign (Dustin Rhodes) 2. Hornswoggle McMahon 3. Pacman Jones
Best Pro Wrestling Book 1. "Hitman" by Bret Hart 2. "A Lion's Tale" by Chris Jericho 3. "Brody" by Barbara Goodish & Larry Matysik
Best Pro Wrestling DVD 1. Ric Flair & The Four Horsemen 2. History of the AWA 3. The Ladder Matches
I find the most erotic part of the woman is the boobies.
I think that by now MMA has developed and is mainstream enough to not be grouped in with wrestling the way the Observer has done it over the years. I had thought that this year might be when Dave Meltzer gave MMA its own separate set of Observer awards, but maybe next year.
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Originally posted by samoflangeI think that by now MMA has developed and is mainstream enough to not be grouped in with wrestling the way the Observer has done it over the years. I had thought that this year might be when Dave Meltzer gave MMA its own separate set of Observer awards, but maybe next year.
I think the idea is that there are enough similarities in enough categories that it's not really apples & oranges (for example, best promoter and most charismatic). Whereas this is the first year that MMA fighters no longer compete for the Ric Flair/Lou Thesz award, and instead have their own category (due to the growth that you speak of).
I find the most erotic part of the woman is the boobies.
Originally posted by KevintripodKhali is considered overrated ?
Overrated in the sense that his push is in no way connected to his talent. To that extent, every guy in WWE who is pushed solely because of his size (Khali, Mark Henry, Big Daddy V) counts as overrated. I think all three of them are more overrated than Triple H or Mr. Kennedy.
When Meltzer had the awards totally combined - "Best Wrestler" included MMA athletes and such - his justification was Tokyo Sport's similar awards grouped the two styles together and he was just following the standards.
I'm not sure if Tokyo Sports has changed their standards, but Dave's explanation this year was Pride no longer existed, and so there was no longer the same cross over between MMA and wrestling.
I doubt he'll totally split them into two different award cycles, just because counting awards are tough and he hasn't figured out the CRZ jedi mind trick to get less people to vote (though who am I to talk.)
Overrated should be read as "overpushed by company" here.
I hope I'm not stealing Justin's thunder.
It's not actually as frustrating when you cut the awards down to the top 3 like this, but the full list causes me to have feelings of violence because of the tokenism of the lucha libre votes. If AAA and CMLL are being voted as top 5 promotions, someone besides the top 3 guys in the country should turn up in these awards somewhere, right? Sombra does, but 4th best rookie is a joke (on a couple levels.) AAA TV has been filled with guys doing crazy dives all year and the show itself ends up sixth (because there's only so many shows for people to think of) but none of those dives makes the top ten moves? Not until US indy guys start doing themselves.
It's truly nice the voters got the Billy Boy/Apache feud in here, but just voting for the guys Dave mentions and not on the guys who are stealing the TV shows (which Dave doesn't mention) always give me the feeling that these are less informed awards and more just a mirror. You could do worse, but you could do better.
As a relative newcomer to UFC and MMA in general, no one is more surprised and impressed with Joe Rogan. When I saw my first UFC show, I almost didn't watch because I don't like the guy. But he has cemented himself as an ace TV commentator. He should have won that category outright.
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Originally posted by Matt TrackerAs a relative newcomer to UFC and MMA in general, no one is more surprised and impressed with Joe Rogan. When I saw my first UFC show, I almost didn't watch because I don't like the guy. But he has cemented himself as an ace TV commentator. He should have won that category outright.
As much as I agree with you, I think you'd be surprised as to how many people freaking HATE Joe Rogan. It's kind of ridiculous, actually.
As for the "overrated" category, if we're going by push instead of the smark fans...why is Kennedy number two? I know they wanted at some point to position him higher on the card, but it's not like he's in the main event right now. I'd understand if he sucked horribly in the ring, but while underwhelming he's not that bad.
I'm really not sure how much creedence I can put into this list, considering we have things like RAW pulling 2nd best tv show AND 3rd worst. I'm not so great with statistics anymore, but doesn't that only work if there are only like 3 wrestling shows on tv max?
Also, what's with Cena winning damn near everything. I thought everybody hated him? Did this vote get stacked by 16 year old girls?
See, I've got this crazy idea in my head that, if they booked it properly, JBL Vs. Foley in an old-school bloodbath could be both a good draw AND a great match. It's just one of those matches I really wanna see, if only to put an end to my curiosity.