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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.41
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    The AL catchers are just so much better than the NL ones.


Know what gets me about that? The NL's absence of the DH. You'd think the inability to throw a strong hitter in the lineup who doesn't have to play defense would lend NL teams the motivation to pick up and/or develop catchers who are better offensively, but that certainly doesn't appear to be the case. Very strange, though I'm sure there's a reason for that which a wiser W can expand upon.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
An article posted at MLB.com at 5:01 this morning says that the order of placement in each Final Vote is as follows:
AL: Liriano, Pierzynski, Hafner, Verlander, and Hernandez.
NL: Garciparra, Capuano, Abreu, Wagner, and Young.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.94
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    Very strange, though I'm sure there's a reason for that which a wiser W can expand upon.


Players with any offensive talent whatsoever are quickly moved away from the grueling position of catcher, whereas those who can throw really hard are casually asked "Say...you wouldn't happen to know how to throw a slider, would you?"



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Loretta ain't bad either. If I'm playing for the second half I'd rather have him than Lopez or Iguchi.

I'm surprised someone who is obviously quite a stat guy would be making that statement.

2006:
Loretta: 312/354/395, 749 OPS, 3HR, 2SB/1CS
Iguchi: 291/346/428, 774 OPS, 9HR, 5SB/3CS
2005:
Loretta: 280/360/347, 707 OPS (power stats effected by only playing 109 games)
Iguchi: 278/342/438, 780 OPS, 15 HR, 15SB/5CS


Not sure exactly what about Loretta makes him worth the 25 less OPS points you'd be getting from him. I don't have access to any of the advanced fielding stats right now, but unless there was a very wide disparity favoring Loretta in those I am not sure what he brings to the table over Iguchi, unless you value those 8 OBP points more than the 33 point SLG difference.

(edited by spf on 5.7.06 2319)


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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
    Originally posted by pieman
      Originally posted by skorpio17
      Manny pulled out today with a phantom injury.


    Francona has been saying Manny has a sore knee for a couple weeks now. I don't think it's that phantom an injury. He's been pulled early in a bunch of games, too.

    Click Here (boston.com)


This must explain Manny's slow homerun trot as well. He played a full game last night after declaring his "injury." Yet, he expects to be unable to play at all for the allstar game (unless MLB convinces him otherwise behind the scenes.) I guess it is the kind of sporadic "injury" that only occurs before the games he doesn't want to play in. Between not wanting to play, making up a phony excuse, and making MLB beg, Manny doesn't come off good in this one.

Quezzy: I like Hafner too. Take out Manny and Sizemore and you can have him and Crawford on the team. But with Liriano's Doctor K type rookie season, you just can't leave him off the team.

Also, no matter what stats they put up neither Hafner nor Ortiz are getting the MVP. Too many baseball writers are passionately anti-DH. I don't agree with it, but they will be punished for not playing the field.

For Iguchi vs. Loretta it is a toss up. I've heard Loretta has had a great defensive year, but I think a Boston fan would be more qualified to speak to that. Now Iguchi is hurt so it doesn't matter, but I wouldn't have minded if Ozzy picked him for the team.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.59
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Yes the Z's are taking over. So forget about the debate over starting pitcher, it belongs to Zito.

    On a side note for anyone who is interested and haven't heard Carlos Lee has dropped out of the homerun derby contest due to a sore hand. So currently the competitors are David Oritz, Ryan Howard, Jermaine Dye, David Wright, and Troy Glaus. There are three more spots left.


According to TV last week, Carlos Zambrano wanted in. Think he's qualified? Maybe to pitch the derby...



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by skorpio17
      Loretta ain't bad either. If I'm playing for the second half I'd rather have him than Lopez or Iguchi.

    I'm surprised someone who is obviously quite a stat guy would be making that statement.

    2006:
    Loretta: 312/354/395, 749 OPS, 3HR, 2SB/1CS
    Iguchi: 291/346/428, 774 OPS, 9HR, 5SB/3CS
    2005:
    Loretta: 280/360/347, 707 OPS (power stats effected by only playing 109 games)
    Iguchi: 278/342/438, 780 OPS, 15 HR, 15SB/5CS


    Not sure exactly what about Loretta makes him worth the 25 less OPS points you'd be getting from him. I don't have access to any of the advanced fielding stats right now, but unless there was a very wide disparity favoring Loretta in those I am not sure what he brings to the table over Iguchi, unless you value those 8 OBP points more than the 33 point SLG difference.

    (edited by spf on 5.7.06 2319)


Having watched Loretta the last two years as a Padre, I can tell you he is very good defensively. Unfortunately, I don't recall Iguchi at all, so I can't compare the two.

This has been your poor addition to a thread of the day by an admin.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
      Originally posted by spf
        Originally posted by skorpio17
        Loretta ain't bad either. If I'm playing for the second half I'd rather have him than Lopez or Iguchi.

      I'm surprised someone who is obviously quite a stat guy would be making that statement.

      2006:
      Loretta: 312/354/395, 749 OPS, 3HR, 2SB/1CS
      Iguchi: 291/346/428, 774 OPS, 9HR, 5SB/3CS
      2005:
      Loretta: 280/360/347, 707 OPS (power stats effected by only playing 109 games)
      Iguchi: 278/342/438, 780 OPS, 15 HR, 15SB/5CS


      Not sure exactly what about Loretta makes him worth the 25 less OPS points you'd be getting from him. I don't have access to any of the advanced fielding stats right now, but unless there was a very wide disparity favoring Loretta in those I am not sure what he brings to the table over Iguchi, unless you value those 8 OBP points more than the 33 point SLG difference.

      (edited by spf on 5.7.06 2319)


    Having watched Loretta the last two years as a Padre, I can tell you he is very good defensively. Unfortunately, I don't recall Iguchi at all, so I can't compare the two.

    This has been your poor addition to a thread of the day by an admin.

Iguchi is very solid defensively. He has a slight weakness turning DP's under heavy pressure, but he has very good range. His work is good enough that I don't really see there being able to be any major difference between he and Loretta.

While VORP does not cover a player's defense, it can be useful to see how good the defense would need to be. Iguchi right now is at 14.0. Loretta is at 12.5. So the difference between the two is rather small. Loretta looking at fielding stats seems to be better, though I find fielding sabermetrics not nearly as convincing as batting ones. So I would sum it up by saying either one would be good to have for the stretch run. Iguchi gives you a little more power potential, Loretta a slightly better glove.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
Just saw when I was on Chisox.com, AJ Pierzynski and Nomar Garciaparra won the Final Votes for the AL and NL respectively. The link is below...

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060706&content_id=1542976&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

7 in all for the White Sox. Not bad for the defending Champs.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28


Nomar absolutely deserves his shot at the All-Star Game this year thanks to a career resurrection that I didn't see coming at all. He's come on since coming to the Dodgers. (Thanks for letting us have him, Cubs fans)

But I strongly disagree with the choice of Pierzynski. Francisco Liriano deserves the final spot a lot more. Of course, my grievance in that case would go more towards allowing Mark Redman to "grace" the roster. Have I mentioned how much I hate the "each team gets at least one player" rule?




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Yeah, the one player per team rule blows, especially when all it does is allow guys like TB RP Lance Carter to get in the game, when he's probably unknown to anyone outside of the few D-Ray fans that actually exist.

The bad thing about baseball is that the starting lineup is usually just a popularity contest, so the undeserving guys can get in that route, and leave the deserving guys to get the reserve nods, and leave off guys who are deserving, but maybe not as much. The NFL system is a lot better IMO.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    David Eckstein should at least be one of the players eligible for the fan vote.


Or, he can be named to the team (sports.espn.go.com) as a last-minute replacement for Jose Reyes, who is out with a cut on his pinky. Edgar Renteria will start for the NL in his stead.

Also, the starting pitchers will be Kenny Rogers and Brad Penny (sports.espn.go.com). What a difference a year makes for Rogers, who one year ago was beating up a camera man. Also, everyone who thought the Tigers would have the starting pitcher in the all-star game, raise your hands...yeah.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Just so we get this out of the way, there were a few more people named as replacements as well.

Let's see, like TBF said, Jose Reyes is out. Renteria starts at SS, and Eckstein gets the roster spot.

Manny is out. Vernon Wells will start in his place. The roster spot is taken up by Maglio Ordonez.

At pitchers, Jose Conteras, Tom Glavine, and Pedro Martinez are all out. They have been replaced by Francisco Liriano, Chris Capuano, and Roy Oswalt, respectively.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
Right at the end of the game, the cameras went to one fan holding a sign saying, "Proud to be an American League fan".

Is being an AL or an NL fan something to take pride in? I've never really thought there would be passionate allegiance to one league over the other.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.58
    Originally posted by The Goon
    Right at the end of the game, the cameras went to one fan holding a sign saying, "Proud to be an American League fan".

    Is being an AL or an NL fan something to take pride in? I've never really thought there would be passionate allegiance to one league over the other.


in the 60s or 70s, maybe even 80s, I could see it. The leagues were seperate and had differeing styles.

now, not so much.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by The Goon
    Right at the end of the game, the cameras went to one fan holding a sign saying, "Proud to be an American League fan".

    Is being an AL or an NL fan something to take pride in? I've never really thought there would be passionate allegiance to one league over the other.

My dad is an AL fan, and I'm an NL fan (don't like the DH and my favorite team is in the NL). But I wouldn't say I'm "passionate." I'll root for'em in the AS game though.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
    Originally posted by The Goon
    Right at the end of the game, the cameras went to one fan holding a sign saying, "Proud to be an American League fan".

    Is being an AL or an NL fan something to take pride in? I've never really thought there would be passionate allegiance to one league over the other.


Maybe he was trying to be cute, making a play on the song, "Proud to be an American.....league fan". I don't know, I cheer for the NL because my favorite team plays in the NL, and I tend to like more players in the NL, and some of the AL teams are very unlikable, but I don't care that much about the All Star game. I'm a little embarassed the NL got their butts kicked in interleague play though.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
Maybe it was just me, but that crowd seemed to be really dead for a baseball All Star game.

Eh, maybe it didn't seem loud because PNC Park is a much smaller ballpark compared to other ballparks around the country.

Anyone else catch that glimpse of Artie (from the Howard Stern Show) in the crowd ?

(edited by Kevintripod on 12.7.06 0226)


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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.94
I rooted for the American League because my team's in the AL and has a decent shot (right now) of being in Game 7 of the World Series, so I'd like that game to be at home. Beyond that, though, I care about more NL teams than I do AL teams besides my own.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
OK, quick question...

Pierzynski and Garciaparra were the winners of the fan vote, right??

They were two players who did not get into the game, right??

Seems to me that since they were the winners of that vote that of all the players on the teams, they should've been put in the game...

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