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|  #1 Posted on 2.7.06 2103.02 | Instant Rating: 2.98 |
American League
AL Starters
1B David Ortiz Boston Red Sox
2B Mark Loretta Boston Red Sox
3B Alex Rodriguez New York Yankees
SS Derek Jeter New York Yankees
C Ivan Rodriguez Detroit Tigers
OF Vladimir Guerrero Los Angeles Angels
OF Manny Ramirez Boston Red Sox
OF Ichiro Suzuki Seattle Mariners
American League pitchers
SP Mark Buerhle Chicago White Sox
SP Jose Contreras Chicago White Sox
SP Roy Halladay Toronto Blue Jays
SP Scott Kazmir Tampa Bay Devil Rays
SP Mark Redman Kansas City Royals
SP Kenny Rogers Detroit Tigers
SP Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
SP Barry Zito Oakland Athletics
RP Bobby Jenks Chicago White Sox
RP Jon Papelbon Boston Red Sox
RP Mariano Rivera New York Yankees
RP B.J. Ryan Toronto Blue Jays
American League reserves
1B Paul Konerko Chicago White Sox
1B Jim Thome Chicago White Sox
2B Robinson Cano New York Yankees
2B Jose Lopez Seattle Mariners
3B Troy Glaus Toronto Blue Jays
SS Miguel Tejada Baltimore Orioles
SS Michael Young Texas Rangers
C Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins
OF Jermaine Dye Chicago White Sox
OF Alex Rios Toronto Blue Jays
OF Gary Matthews, Jr. Texas Rangers
OF Grady Sizemore Cleveland Indians
OF Vernon Wells Toronto Blue Jays
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National League
NL Starters
1B Albert Pujols St. Louis Cardinals
2B Chase Utley Philadelphia Phillies
3B David Wright New York Mets
SS Jose Reyes New York Mets
C Paul Lo Duca New York Mets
OF Jason Bay Pittsburgh Pirates
OF Carlos Beltran New York Mets
OF Alfonso Soriano Washington Nationals
National League pitchers
SP Carlos Zambrano Chicago Cubs
SP Bronson Arroyo Cincinnati Reds
SP Brad Penny Los Angeles Dodgers
SP Tom Glavine New York Mets
SP Pedro Martinez New York Mets
SP Chris Carpenter St. Louis Cardinals
SP Jason Schmidt San Francisco Giants
RP Brian Fuentes Colorado Rockies
RP Derrick Turnbow Milwaukee Brewers
RP Tom Gordon Philadelphia Phillies
RP Trevor Hoffmann San Diego Padres
National League reserves
1B Lance Berkman Houston Astros
1B Ryan Howard Philadelphia Phillies
2B Dan Uggla Florida Marlins
3B Miguel Cabrera Florida Marlins
3B Freddy Sanchez Pittsburgh Pirates
3B Scott Rolen St. Louis Cardinals
SS Edgar Renteria Atlanta Braves
C Brian McCann Atlanta Braves
OF Andruw Jones Atlanta Braves
OF Matt Holliday Colorado Rockies
OF Carlos Lee Milwaukee Brewers
Very happy to see a lot of first-time names made it: Reyes, McCann, Uggla, Utley (starting, no less!!), Fuentes, and BJ Ryan.
But I have issue with the one player per team rule. I understand the logic behind it, but how does Mark Redman make the team over Francisco Liriano of the Twins?? Granted, Liriano hasn't been starting for the entire season, but already he's surpassed most of the league. Hopefully, there's still the option of the fans voting in someone, but that's usually a position player.
Also, how did Paul Lo Duca get voted a starter... or to the team at all?? Even David Ross of the Reds is having a better year. Lo Duca is a poor man's catcher these days. Russell Martin would have been a cool choice for catcher.
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|  #2 Posted on 2.7.06 2150.27 | Instant Rating: 4.94 | Every team, just about, has a guy that their fans say got robbed, and here's mine: Kevin Youkilis. His emergence at first base (and third, and left field) has been my favorite thing about the Red Sox this season. After spending two years going back and forth from Boston to Pawtucket, he's finally getting his chance to play every day, and he's doing everything we could have asked of him and more. Without his consistent bat at the top of the lineup (or wherever we put him), the order would be in disarray. I'm disappointed that he's not even in consideration for the last man balloting, but hopefully he'll be an injury replacement.
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| #3 Posted on 2.7.06 2204.54 | Instant Rating: 7.06 | |
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Originally posted by Gugs
Every team, just about, has a guy that their fans say got robbed, and here's mine: Kevin Youkilis. His emergence at first base (and third, and left field) has been my favorite thing about the Red Sox this season. After spending two years going back and forth from Boston to Pawtucket, he's finally getting his chance to play every day, and he's doing everything we could have asked of him and more. Without his consistent bat at the top of the lineup (or wherever we put him), the order would be in disarray. I'm disappointed that he's not even in consideration for the last man balloting, but hopefully he'll be an injury replacement.
He probably would have had a shot if Ortiz didn't have to go at first. But does anyone not named Francisco Liriano have ANY chance at the last player balloting?
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| #4 Posted on 2.7.06 2316.14 | Instant Rating: 5.43 | Oh boy, I get to nitpick and whine! Well, not really. They're mostly minor nitpicks, admittedly because they conflicted with my ballot.
American League
- Mark Loretta at second base. He's a good player, but in my opinion Jose Lopez or Tadahito Iguchi would be MUCH better choices in that position (especially Lopez).
- Derek Jeter at SS. I'm a HYOOOOOGE Yankee fans and self-professed pathetic Jeter mark. And even I think it should be Miguel Tejada. Unfortunately, though, this and the choice above just goes to show how many Sox and Yanks fans are out there and how unwilling they are to vote for anyone that doesn't play for their team. That being said, I am absolutely ECSTATIC that there's players from teams other than the Yankees and Red Sox in the starting lineup. Early on in the voting it was looking like it'd be the New Boston Yanksox against the National League All-Stars. Color me relieved.
National League
- Paul Lo Duca at Catcher. My vote went to Michael Barrett from the Cubbies, and I still think he'd be a better choice. That being said, Barrett doesn't exactly run away with it in my mind, so it's really just me splitting hairs and I don't really have that much of a problem with it. It's not like, say, Loretta starting at 2nd for the AL.
Other than that, amazingly I don't have any other problems with it. At first I was a little disappointed not to see Liriano get on the pitching staff with the season he's having, however he's pretty young and could have an absolutely horrific second half, so I can't complain.
(edited by Deputy Marshall on 3.7.06 0024)
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| #5 Posted on 2.7.06 2316.23 | Instant Rating: 4.66 | My friends and I were wondering which Royal would get picked. Needless to say, Mark Redman didn't even make the top five. I figured Gruds or Mientkewicz would get in for being the bigger names (literally). Loretta starting is a real joke.
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| #6 Posted on 2.7.06 2318.42 | Instant Rating: 5.12 | I can only speak to the Brewers, as I really only know what's been going on with them, but Chris Capuano deserves to be playing in the All-Star game more than Derrick Turnbow does. Capuano's has pitched the 2nd highest number of innings in the NL. He's 9-4 with a 3.45 ERA. With Sheets out, he's their #1 starter. Turnbow is 23 - 28 in save opportunities. Among NL pitchers with at least 10 save opportunities, his 82% ranks 9th. I know that they have different roles, but given that there are 4 closers on the NL staff, I think Cappy is more deserving.
Cappy's in the NL final man voting, but I expect Nomar to get voted in ahead of him.
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| #7 Posted on 2.7.06 2341.39 | Instant Rating: 7.87 | | I don't see any Arizona players on the NL list. Do my eyes deceive me? | Gugs
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| #8 Posted on 2.7.06 2346.27 | Instant Rating: 4.94 | Loretta's not the worst player to be voted into the lineup (David Eckstein started at short for the NL last year). He's hitting .317 after a tough April, and has been part of the remarkable infield defense that the Red Sox have had. Plus, we have more fans than you, so shut up. ;-)
EDIT: Redcumo: Brandon Webb.
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| #9 Posted on 3.7.06 0001.21 | Instant Rating: 7.13 | Nice to see Mauer make it. There was some hubub among the local sports writers that Ozzie was going to wedge Pierzinski into the lineup, so it's a bit of a relief to see him AND Santana make it.
The only two people I can see making the "last chance" vote are Nomar and Liriano, based solely on stats, though I could see people voting for Haffner if they didn't want to put another pitcher on the AL roster.
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| #10 Posted on 3.7.06 0029.19 | Instant Rating: 4.91 | Originally posted by Redcumo
I don't see any Arizona players on the NL list. Do my eyes deceive me?
Checked, and P Brandon Webb was left off the list.
As a Sox fan, glad to see so much representation this year, and not have the list flooded with Yankees and Red Sox any more than it usually is.
And that's not mentioning AJ could very well get in, Sox fans got Scott Podsednik in last year with the Final Vote, and if any alternates are done, Iguchi could still possibly make the team.
I'm guessing Tigers fans aren't the happiest about this list, and I doubt Verlander wins the Final Vote.
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| #11 Posted on 3.7.06 0049.29 | Instant Rating: 2.98 | Redman has one of the highest ERAs in the AL. I soooo don't understand how he makes the team. Reggie Sanders was my pick for the Royals, and even then, you're picking straws.
Lo Duca is no better than Redman. This year, he's one of the worst catchers in the NL, offensively. Just a case of ballot-stuffing. And as a Yankees fan, I know how much that happens.
That said, Jeter is having his best year so far. And he's among the top SS's, so I have no problem with him.
Loretta is indeed a joke. Jose Lopez is making the team now, as an injury replacement for Cano (who I don't even think should have made the team).
A case could be made for Capuano, but it's hard to remove a starting pitcher on the NL squad to make a spot for him. Still, I hope he wins the Final Vote for NL.
A year from now, hopefully Justin Morneau is at least on the reserves. His slow start really hampered his first legit shot at making the All-Star team.
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| #12 Posted on 3.7.06 0921.21 | Instant Rating: 3.58 | Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
My vote went to Michael Barrett from the Cubbies, and I still think he'd be a better choice.
I've got no problem with the Lo Duca choice, you have to understand the situations. When Lee was out Barrett was put fourth in the lineup and was just asked to slug away and well his numbers aren't that impressive. Lo Duca's job in the Mets lineups is simply to move Reyes to the next base and Reyes is leading the majors in runs. So I'd say Lo Duca is doing his job better than Barrett. Is doing your job good enough to be an All Star? Maybe not, but if that is the case than no catcher in the NL would be worthy of an All Star except maybe McCann. I think he's the only guy with a beef hitting .365, but he atleast made the team anyway.
I think the NL team, both the voting and the reserves are pretty much who I would've picked. I have a lot more questions about the AL though. Lopez should be starting at second. I'd take Schilling, Mussina, Beckett, Verlander or Liriano over Buehrle. I'd take Hafner over either Thome or Konerko, sure they're both having great seasons but 1B is too loaded a position to take two guys from one team. Also it's a crime that Jim Leyland won't be on the coaching staff, besides being the best manager this season by a wide margin he's like a hero to the hometown Pittsburgh fans and would possibly get the biggest ovation of the night.
Mr. Boffo, I think there is still a chance for Capuano. Pedro opted not to play in the All Star game last year and he's missing his start today to recover from an injury so I say there's probably a 99.9 percent chance he doesn't play in the All Star game this year. That would open another spot for a starter and since Young and Capuano are in the running for the final vote I imagine it's between one of the two of them to replace Pedro if he doesn't play.
For the last two spots I'd have to go with Hafner and Nomar, I think they are the most deserving even though both would mean a fourth first basemen and both All Star teams have a player from the manager's team (Konerko, Thome and Berkman) at first so Hafner and Nomar would maybe not even play, but they should still be there.
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| #13 Posted on 3.7.06 1445.04 | Instant Rating: 4.42 | | David Eckstein should at least be one of the players eligible for the fan vote. | Whitebacon
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| #14 Posted on 3.7.06 1742.46 | Instant Rating: 6.65 | There's no way I could possibly justify him over Nomar, Capuano, Chris Young, Bobby Abreu, or Billy Wagner. He just doesn't have the numbers.
Anyway, the two obvious choices for the second chance fan ballot are Liriano and Nomar.
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| #15 Posted on 4.7.06 1636.55 | Instant Rating: 3.66 | Suzuki, Rodriguez, Ortiz, Ramirez---
I think we've set a record for most appearances by the letter "Z" in a lineup.
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| #16 Posted on 5.7.06 1249.09 | Instant Rating: 5.57 | The White Sox have decided to take advantage of recent events as they make their push to get their guy in as the 32nd Man for the second straight year.
Perhaps this campaign will trick Michael Barrett into voting a few hundred times for Pierzynski.
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| #17 Posted on 5.7.06 1449.28 | Instant Rating: 3.59 | Yes the Z's are taking over. So forget about the debate over starting pitcher, it belongs to Zito.
On a side note for anyone who is interested and haven't heard Carlos Lee has dropped out of the homerun derby contest due to a sore hand. So currently the competitors are David Oritz, Ryan Howard, Jermaine Dye, David Wright, and Troy Glaus. There are three more spots left.
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| #18 Posted on 5.7.06 1639.06 | Instant Rating: 2.85 | Manny pulled out today with a phantom injury.
mostly good picks for the game. the obvious 5th men should be Liriano and Nomar, with a small look to Hafner. The AL catchers are just so much better than the NL ones. I see R. Hernandez getting in somehow and Mauer should be starting.
Loretta ain't bad either. If I'm playing for the second half I'd rather have him than Lopez or Iguchi. I also like Jeter to for getting on base.
Turnbow is really nothing special.
The biggest snub not even on the 5 man fan choice is Crawford. He is the rare legit 5 category player, on fire the last two months.
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| #19 Posted on 5.7.06 1905.50 | Instant Rating: 3.59 | Originally posted by skorpio17
the obvious 5th men should be Liriano and Nomar, with a small look to Hafner.
I don't see how Liriano is the "obvious" pick and Hafner is gets a "small" look. If the season ended today I bet Ortiz would win the MVP and Hafner is pretty much even with him across the board. Ortiz has a few more homeruns and RBI but Hafner has more runs, a better average, more walks, less strikeouts, and a higher OPS. I think a guy who is pretty much tied for having the best season in the AL is a no brainer and should be the "obvious" pick. Liriano is having a great season and should be on the team but not over Hafner. Especially when Liriano hasn't really beaten anyone that good yet.
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| #20 Posted on 5.7.06 1958.50 | Instant Rating: 7.80 |
Originally posted by skorpio17
Manny pulled out today with a phantom injury.
Francona has been saying Manny has a sore knee for a couple weeks now. I don't think it's that phantom an injury. He's been pulled early in a bunch of games, too.
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