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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73

Bam Bam, Candido, and Bulldog probably all would have done better if the Kliq hadn't been around. Nothing will kill a career like dedicating a promised win to your dying, disabled sister and then getting politicked into the dirt and ending up humiliated. Davey to me is interesting in the sense that when he worked with a guy like Bret, Shawn, or Owen he raised his game and was absolutely in their league, but he wasn't one to pull inferior workers up to his level. I don't know if he just wasn't motivated or what. But One Night Only was really the end for him.





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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Hakushi and Blitzkrieg - Could either one of them cut a promo? Obviously they were entertaining in the ring but you do need some kind of talking ability to be a big deal.


Disagree with Hakushi...I think he looked all the more badass since he DIDN'T talk. He definitely had the whole silent assassin vibe, a la early Undertaker. Now, he could've used the equivalent of a Paul Bearer to carry the promos and Sinja was certainly no Paul Bearer.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.61
Mr Perfect, British Bulldog, Jimmy Snuka, Jake Roberts, Ted DiBiasi, Arn Anderson, and Christian could/should have been (even) bigger deals (than they already were), meaning: WWE Champions!

(I know that Christian is a former 2-time World Champion, but that belt doesn't mean the same, imo)


(edited by Tyler Durden on 15.3.13 1045)


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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.74
O'Haire wasn't a big deal because he was horrible on the mic and not very good in the ring. They put him with Piper because he bombed every time he tried his "Devil's Advocate" character on a live mic.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.65
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Junkyard Dog had probably the worst moveset in history, but he could pop a crowd, sell Merch, be involved in a big angle and match, and he had the same amount of talent in WWE that I could have had, speaking of which, why is HE not on the list?



Probably because he's in the WWE HoF.

I'm sure they look at being in the WWE HoF as being a big deal.





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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
Raven should of and would of been bigger in the WWF(E), even Stone Cold thought it was a waste to let him go. Raven believes that Vince personally cut off him off at the knees because he would take an underage Shane-o-Mac partying with him when he was in the WWF as Scotty Flamingo. A shame too as Raven cut some fascinating promos and could get over in quicksand. I still remember that awesome triple threat match he had with Kane and Big Show at Wrestlemania X-7 where Kane almost ran Raven over with a golf cart.

I must of not paid attention to Sean O'Haire during his Devil's Advocate/Tyler Durden gimmick. They can just give that gimmick to NXT rookie Corey Graves and it could still work today.

I still want John Morrison back like yesterday. I'm sure he's sorry about the Trish thing, and I'm sure he's taken acting classes by now. #bringbackjomo

William Regal. I was just watching the king of the ring tourney he won on the eve of the biggest push he'll ever get. When he trudges up to the ring and slumps onto his throne, looking out into the WWE Raw audience like a blood drunk Attila the Hun I got very sad. King Regal had such weight. Not only was he a veteran, and a KOR winner at the time, he also ran RAW as GM. Cena the much younger champion would of had to fight a man that had all the political power on the main show.

Fucking Wellness Violation. I imagine that suspension had to be one of the lowest points in Regal's career.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    Mr Perfect, British Bulldog, Jimmy Snuka, Jake Roberts, Ted DiBiasi, Arn Anderson, and Christian could/should have been (even) bigger deals (than they already were), meaning: WWE Champions!

    (I know that Christian is a former 2-time World Champion, but that belt doesn't mean the same, imo)


    (edited by Tyler Durden on 15.3.13 1045)
Perfect is a great pick if only he had not fucked up his back he would have been a top guy for a long time, IMO. He would have been perfect as Vince's corporate champion if he stuck around in the WWE in the late 90's instead of going to WCW. He really was pushed as a big deal in his first six months in WCW as the Horseman tried to get him to join them and then his heel turn at Fall Brawl where he slammed the cage on Flair's head drew him massive heat, but soon after losing the US title to DDP he faded into the background. Christian I was hoping would get a real chance to be a top guy when he won the title, but he dropped the title to Orton in a matter of days and then won it back months later by winning by dq then soon dropping it again and not getting much of a push since.

(edited by graves9 on 15.3.13 1302)
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
Personally, most of these guys are about where they should have been, in my opinion. BamBam was pretty over. Andre the Giant proves you don't have to be a champion to be big in the sport.

It's too bad Butch Reed was before the time when a truly charismatic face black wrestler was really allowed. Always thought he had a lot going for him. Same goes for Jim Powers - with a little coaching and a little better opponent selection and getting away from the tag worl, he could have been an important face.

Put Barry Windham and Sam Houston onto that list.

and Scott Norton could have been an awesome heel champ.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
La Parka, not a joke answer, should've been a Jimmy Valiant/Hillbilly Jim/WWF Dusty Rhodes/Brodus Clay kind of funtime midcard babyface in WCW at minimum.

Here's the two things that sunk Sean O'Haire. 1) As a Power Plant product, he was never taught anything beyond highspots and physique, and he never picked up the rest in WWE developmental. 2) He could only play the I.N.T.Y.A.Y.D.A.K. gimmick in heavily-produced vignettes with multiple takes. When they asked him to start cutting those promos in the building, he couldn't pull it off, and that was the end of his push.

edit: whoops, missed this on the page switch. yeah, that.
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    O'Haire wasn't a big deal because he was horrible on the mic and not very good in the ring. They put him with Piper because he bombed every time he tried his "Devil's Advocate" character on a live mic.


    Originally posted by Quezzy
    *Raven and Candido - I would have loved to see any of them in main event feuds but I think a combination of being ECW products and being hard to work with probably did them in.


Both also ... would not have been members of the Straight Edge Society.


    *Tajiri - Obviously not talking English was a problem but his facial expressions were like The Rock's eyebrow level of greatness.


Tajiri should've been the 21st century Great Muta, he was that good. No reason Yoshi Tatsu couldn't be the 2010s Tajiri either.

    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I would say that Tazz should have been bigger.


    Vince McMahon agrees.




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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Tajiri should've been the 21st century Great Muta, he was that good. No reason Yoshi Tatsu couldn't be the 2010s Tajiri either.


Yes, to both of these. The WWE has an inexcusable track record with Asian talent. When you think of all the recycled gimmicks over the years and the Great Muta isn't one of them it makes you wonder. I'm not saying every Asian needs to be the Great Muta, but at least they could start there.


... and an obvious omission especially with this board is Brian Pillman.

On the women's side Jazz should have been a destructive force, but Jerry Lawler was too busy thinking up new ways to call her ugly for her to get over.




(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 15.3.13 1928)
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Tajiri should've been the 21st century Great Muta


I agree, but it's also odd, because I'm pretty sure SC and others who watched the initial Great Muta NWA run would say he should be on this list too (from a US standpoint.)



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.88
Just a couple of thoughts:

I thought that WCW could have given Bam Bam a huge push when he returned in 2000. He was obviously well-known by that point, and he had just come back from injuries sustained by for-real rescuing children from a burning building. That could have helped make him an uberface, but they didn't do anything with it and he just went into the midcard, losing to Mike Awesome at Starrcade. Of course, WCW wasn't much longer for the world, so it might not really have mattered.

I never understood why WWE didn't have Taz use his catchphrase. "My name is Taz. Beat me, if you can. Survive, if I let you." I thought that was a great catchphrase, and I remember telling it to a co-worker who was a big WWE guy at the time and he totally marked out. I don't know if that would have made that much difference, but it would have helped.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    La Parka, not a joke answer, should've been a Jimmy Valiant/Hillbilly Jim/WWF Dusty Rhodes/Brodus Clay kind of funtime midcard babyface in WCW at minimum.
I agree fully with this and would take it another step to say WWE could have made a lot more money off the guy, especially in the Smackdown Six era. WCW made it pretty clear they never understood what worked about La Parka when they gave him the Stevie Ray voiceover angle. Why give that gimmick to the masked wrestler who needed it the least? (OK, the obvious answer is that his mask covered his mouth. But still, the appeal of La Parka was that he got over on what he did physically alone.)

His upside in WWE could have been Goldust-level, at least. That's the best comparison I can think of, since La Parka had a similar funny-but-vicious ratio to his character when WCW let him be. But he'd have been a Goldust with a dozen or so masks they could sell.
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Tajiri should've been the 21st century Great Muta, he was that good. No reason Yoshi Tatsu couldn't be the 2010s Tajiri either.
I would have liked to have seen where Yoshi was planning to go with the mask and make-up thing. He just seems too nice otherwise to fit the Tajiri or Muta mold. Still, it's crazy that they haven't really tried to give him a Kofi or Evan Bourne level sustained push or tried him out seriously on one of the main shows in a tag team.
    Originally posted by Peter the Hegemon
    I never understood why WWE didn't have Taz use his catchphrase. "My name is Taz. Beat me, if you can. Survive, if I let you."
That line never made complete sense to me. Shouldn't it be harder to survive than to beat him? How do you beat Tazz without surviving, accidentally pinning him after you've died in the Tazzmission and he can't get out from under your dead weight?

Jake Roberts never holding the Intercontinental title is the craziest thing in hindsight, especially since they were considering a title program with Hogan and (supposedly) called it off because Jake was still too popular. It's weird looking back and not having the belt go from Steamboat to Jake to Warrior before doing Jake's face turn.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.45
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    On the women's side Jazz should have been a destructive force, but Jerry Lawler was too busy thinking up new ways to call her ugly for her to get over.


I think Jazz did pretty well for herself. She's a former Women's Champion, but yeah, ultimately her major contribution was to be an antagonist in the early years for Trish Stratus' evolution into what she became. Jazz is unfortunate she wasn't around 2-3 years later after Trish had cemented her position and her in-ring ability reached its zenith. A feud between them in 2005-2006 would have been pretty great. But how good Trish eventually became is in a large part due to all the matches she had with Jazz in 2002-2003 where Jazz simply kicked the snot out of her. Trish learned a lot.

Jazz's position as scary, dangerous Diva heel got supplanted by Victoria and Molly Holly, who were ultimately more charismatic, attractive and... hate to say it but let's face it, white.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
I still regret that we never got to see Beth Phoenix rise up to challenge a monster heel Kharma.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    That line never made complete sense to me. Shouldn't it be harder to survive than to beat him? How do you beat Tazz without surviving, accidentally pinning him after you've died in the Tazzmission and he can't get out from under your dead weight?


I think the insinuation is that you might be able to beat him with a lucky rollup or some such, but that he would still kill you afterward.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
Kronik and Chris Kanyon would be my votes
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    That line never made complete sense to me. Shouldn't it be harder to survive than to beat him? How do you beat Tazz without surviving, accidentally pinning him after you've died in the Tazzmission and he can't get out from under your dead weight?


I'm like 80% positive they did this exact finish with Big Show.

Anyway, Tom Magee is my choice; the man had a super muscular physique and was relatively agile for a big man, but apparently was just awful in the ring. You'd think this wouldn't be too huge an issue in 1987. Bret Hart talks about Magee in his book, where he puts him over so strongly in a dark match that Vince McMahon proclaimed "there's my next champion."
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