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From 411wrestling:

Despite The Rundown not doing as well as expected, Entertainment Weekly recently stated that the Rock remains in high remand for future movies. The reason for this is because leading men in Hollywood are bringing in less than they used to. The Rock also is getting paid very well. He got $12.5 million plus a percentage of profits for The Rundown and will get at least $15 million for Walking Tall.

OK, 2 questions:

1. Why would he EVER come back to wrestling?

2. What's more shocking, him making $15 mil or Ben Affleck making $15 mil?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.03
1)He claims to love it, but then again..It's easier to be a movie star if you are not a cripple. Hard to answer that one unless you're the Rock.

2)I would say Ben Affleck, but he did do all of those Kevin Smith movies.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.25
he needs wrestling and wrestling fans more than ever with the way the rundown flopped. if he chalks up another bomb with walking tall, how in demand is he going to be then?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by dr beavis
    he needs wrestling and wrestling fans more than ever with the way the rundown flopped. if he chalks up another bomb with walking tall, how in demand is he going to be then?


Wrestling fans have a lot less box office power than you think.





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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57
    Originally posted by dr beavis
    he needs wrestling and wrestling fans more than ever with the way the rundown flopped. if he chalks up another bomb with walking tall, how in demand is he going to be then?


Jesus ... another bomb? ... what are you people? ... on dope!

'The Rundown' was not a bomb ... sure it didn't gross as much domestically as hoped, but hello, foreign box office counts for something, as will DVD sales & rentals ...




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.12
The Rundown grossed 47.7 million in the U.S. and another 16.7 million overseas for a total of approximately 64.5 million.

The cost of the film was 85 million, plus a 25 million advertising budget. While not a disaster, it was a signifgant financial loss.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
so how much does DVD/video/cable ppv bring in? I'm sure the accountants will find a way to say it lost, and the producers may agree it was a disappointment that it didn't make $150 million in box office, how bad is it?

Did I read a while back that the Rock is also working on a King Kamehameha role? Haven't heard much on that for quite a while, is this project still on?

Finally, the King has come back, to Honolulu....

I didn't go out of my way to see the Rundown, but I will make a point to go see Walking Tall. Kick ass role for the Rock, hopefully the updated script and the rest of the cast will make it a fun ride...
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.64
Let's not forget that Rocky's also got "Spy Hunter" lined up. Wonder how much he's making on that one?




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The Rundown hasn't even opened in the UK yet. Whilst the movie may be currently running at a loss it still hasn't been launched in other markets. After UK cinema revenue, rental revenue and the sale of the movie in stores coupled with revenue from the other markets where it hasn't opened such as the rest of Europe, i'd estimate that the movie will make a profit.



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    Originally posted by dr beavis
    he needs wrestling and wrestling fans more than ever with the way the rundown flopped. if he chalks up another bomb with walking tall, how in demand is he going to be then?


Here's a breakdown for the Box Office Receipts for "The Rundown":
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327850/business

However, the Rock's plate seems pretty full without returning to wrestling:

1)Instant Karma (2005) (announced)
2)Spy Hunter (2005) (announced)
3)Be Cool (2004) (filming)
4)Walking Tall (2004) (post-production) .... Chris Vaughn

(source: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0425005/)

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    Originally posted by dr beavis
    he needs wrestling and wrestling fans more than ever with the way the rundown flopped. if he chalks up another bomb with walking tall, how in demand is he going to be then?


Why the hell are you saying he 'needs' wrestling more than ever since his movies are flopping? The man is a multi-millionare and could sit on his oddly-hairlined bum for the rest of his life and burn hundreds if he wanted to.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.23
I just did some quick checking around, and as of now The Rundown has made $47,592,825 domestically, and $5,928,591 internationally, with most of the major markets opening in March. (note: some of the markets are reporting figures, but studio tracking has not officially announced them yet) With $53,521,416+ in the bag already, this film is easily going to cover costs, and turn a nice profit which both The Rock and Vince McMahon get a cut of (Vince is an EP for the film). This was discussed a while back in a thread that I started when Meltzer first called the movie a bomb. Truth of the matter is, its doing just fine.

Of course the projected homevideo sales/rentals are somewhere near the $40mil mark, and that's just domestically.






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The intangible here is that The Rock got tons of glowing reviews for his performance in the movie -- not the type of thing usually said about the Jean-Claudes of Vin Diesel's of the world.... He's already proven to be a hit on the talk-show circuit as well. I'm not saying either of these things make up for a bad run at the box office, but I don't think Hollywood is ready to give up on the guy, either.

With, what, four more movies scheduled for the next couple of years, its safe to say that he'll be fine if at least one of those films does well. Plus, its not like The Rundown did bad, even if it hasn't been able to turn out a profit just yet. Video sales could turn the whole thing around...



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    Originally posted by FurryHippie
      Originally posted by dr beavis
      he needs wrestling and wrestling fans more than ever with the way the rundown flopped. if he chalks up another bomb with walking tall, how in demand is he going to be then?


    Why the hell are you saying he 'needs' wrestling more than ever since his movies are flopping? The man is a multi-millionare and could sit on his oddly-hairlined bum for the rest of his life and burn hundreds if he wanted to.


right, and i'm sure that's exactly what will happen. he'll walk away a failure because, hey, he has money.

are some of you in denial? movie studios don't put out films on the chance that there will be good sales when it's eventually released on video. the rundown was in no way, shape, or form a box office success. if it can manage to break even though overseas totals, that still isn't a success. it just means they didn't lose money.

walking tall is shaping up to be an even bigger disaster. at least the rundown had star power, with sean william scott and chris walken and rosario dawson. and it was an original movie. walking tall will live or die on whether people want to pay to see the rock act.

of course he needs wrestling fans. why do you think he's popping back up in wwe? when the rock was promoting the rundown, he said he couldn't see himself being back in wrestling for the forseeable future. then after the rundown fizzled, he shows up back on raw and makes plans to be part of wrestlemania. walking tall opens in the spring. do the math.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.23
    Originally posted by dr beavis
    walking tall is shaping up to be an even bigger disaster. at least the rundown had star power, with sean william scott and chris walken and rosario dawson. and it was an original movie. walking tall will live or die on whether people want to pay to see the rock act.


First off, I don't think Stiffler and "The Black Chick from MIB II (another box office jewel)" count as box office gold.

Secondly, there's a few more factors at work here than you realize. The Rundown was made for a budget of around 85 million, which it is poised to not only recoup, but turn in a 100% profit. (credit: Video Digest). Like it or not DVD sales do count for quite a bit of money. A comparable title to Rundown would probably be something along the lines of XXX or The Bourne Identity. XXX has drawn $157.6 million dollars on DVD, and Bourne has brought in $171.2, and that's just domestically. Walking Tall's budget is 56 million, 65% less than Rundown. Now, Tall's theatrical run is slated to rival that of Rundown, with as many prints being distributed as the previous release, and in my opinion a much more extensive ad campaign already in full swing.



I'll concede that The Rock's upcoming wrestling appearances can only help his film get off the ground, but even if the Rock didn't go to 'Mania Tall would do just fine. His Q rating is one of the highest of any male actor right now, with more people being able to identify The Rock than Donald Rumsfeld.

The way it stands now, Walking Tall is more likely to be a hit than The Rundown was. And despite what some may think, The Rundown was not a flop by any streach of the imagination.

(edited by themaker on 20.2.04 1807)


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.74
The movie MIDNIGHT RUN, which most reviewers compared this film to, only made $38.4 million at the box office world wide; it's home video take has taken it to over $200 million.



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I saw a documentary a while ago which if i remember right pointed out that the box office gross includes the cinemas share and so on. Taking that and the cost of advertising into account means that a film has to make four times it's budget to break even, $340 million in this case.

Furthermore it's not like The Rundown is the only movie that will be released on DVD. All the movies that did make a lot of money in U.S. cinemas will also have their overall take increased, so it was still a relative failure.

(edited by Weevil on 21.2.04 1507)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.23
Listen, I'm using numebrs and facts to back up my arguement, and all anyone else has been able to bring back at me is they "think" this or that about the movie industry. Well, I work in the movie industry, and am using the same forecasts studio experts are looking at, and they all say the same thing. The Rundown was a moderate success. This is what Hollywood is looking at. This is why The Rock is getting paid big money for upcoming movies.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
"Listen, I'm using numebrs and facts to back up my arguement, and all anyone else has been able to bring back at me is they "think" this or that about the movie industry. Well, I work in the movie industry, and am using the same forecasts studio experts are looking at, and they all say the same thing. The Rundown was a moderate success. This is what Hollywood is looking at. This is why The Rock is getting paid big money for upcoming movies."

Listen to this man, people. Studios DO look at DVD/video sales/rentals as a major source of income. They're what turned Fight Club from flop to hit, they're what got sequels commisioned for Hulk and LXG. They are HUGELY important.

And, as has also been pointed out, the film has yet to be release din Europe, which is easily one of the largest markets outside of the US and could see the film double its theatrical B.O. And that's WITHOUT its ancillary sales. Please stop banging on basing your posts on half-baked assumptions.



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    Originally posted by dr beavis
      Originally posted by FurryHippie
        Originally posted by dr beavis
        he needs wrestling and wrestling fans more than ever with the way the rundown flopped. if he chalks up another bomb with walking tall, how in demand is he going to be then?


      Why the hell are you saying he 'needs' wrestling more than ever since his movies are flopping? The man is a multi-millionare and could sit on his oddly-hairlined bum for the rest of his life and burn hundreds if he wanted to.


    right, and i'm sure that's exactly what will happen. he'll walk away a failure because, hey, he has money.

    are some of you in denial?


Are you trying to say that if Rock's movie's don't do so great, he needs to come back to wrestling or else he will be a failure? Does anybody here think The Rock and failure even belong in the same sentence? The man is a success, even if his movies aren't the best, he's not gonna go hide under a rock (no pun intended) in shame. He is a success, and my point still stands - he literally can burn hundred dollar bills the rest of his life and still be set. And not just with money - with his legacy. He really doesn't NEED anything, that's the main point I'm making here. He doesn't NEED money, he doesn't NEED to prove himself as a wrestler, and hell, he has already crossed over into Hollywood. It's been done.

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