The W
Views: 100792130
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Calendar | Color chart | Log in for more!
24.11.14 0225
The W - Music - 100 Albums You Should Throw...
This thread has 12 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
Pages: 1(2755 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (20 total)
drjayphd
Scrapple
Moderator








Since: 22.4.02
From: Long Island

Since last post: 18 days
Last activity: 1 day
AIM:  
ICQ:  
Y!:
#1 Posted on
...at the people at jaguaro.org. I heard of this list a few days before Keith mentioned it on one of his Smarklogs, and I think the source (slatch.com) put it best:


    Originally posted at slatch.com
    I have a theory that he's being initiated into some indie-geek gang. Like when you join the Latin Kings and they make you kill someone... this guy has to denounce all the mindless/fun albums that everyone else enjoys.


Kids, it's just fun. The guy who wrote this list, honestly, makes Keith look like a WWE shill. It's just music, stop trying to kill our fun because you're not being entertained.
Promote this thread!
spf
Scrapple








Since: 2.1.02
From: The Las Vegas of Canada

Since last post: 21 days
Last activity: 12 hours
AIM:  
#2 Posted on
Yeah but this guy is trying to piss off everyone on earth with this list. Saying to throw out Celine Dion is one thing. But they advise throwing out Husker Du's "Zen Arcade" and The Replacements "Tim". And IIRC he calls for chucking a Bad Brains album.

Personally I loved it, as it seemed such a calculated attempt to piss off every single fanbase there is. Though suggesting the removal of "Under the Pink" almost pissed me off enough to seek revenge, I took it in the broader context :)



You never know when you'll meet that special someone... the someone that's mysteriously blind to your flaws. or, you know, stupid enough not to realize that yes, you really are that cynical.
OlFuzzyBastard
Knackwurst








Since: 28.4.02
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Since last post: 3 hours
Last activity: 3 hours
AIM:  
#3 Posted on
He's just slaughtering sacred cows for the shock value of it. He's not even entertaining about it.





"The only difference between lilies and turds are those humankind have agreed upon, and I don't always agree."
---George Carlin

"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music."
---Anon.
Scott Summets
Sujuk








Since: 27.6.02

Since last post: 3937 days
Last activity: 3906 days
#4 Posted on
Man, he put four of the five Beastie Boys' major releases on there. I don't know how he included Check Your Head and Ill Communications as one choice though.



I'm gonna get me an oversized guitar, gain 40 pounds, and become the next D!
Jubuki
Kolbasz








Since: 16.7.02

Since last post: 4424 days
Last activity: 4408 days
#5 Posted on
He's right about Combat Rock, though, especially now that Strummer's pimping out all their songs for commercials.



Chris
The AIR RAID CRASH
haz
Landjager








Since: 2.1.02
From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada

Since last post: 103 days
Last activity: 67 days
#6 Posted on
The list is the biggest pile of stinking c*** I think I have ever read.

I would agree the Combat Rock is not up to the standards of the original Clash material, but #1 on the list, not even close.

The author seems to have a problem with a number of specific things.

1> Any album that sold to College age people is trash, i.e Nirvana, Green Day, Gin Blossoms

2> Any album that a big act made that was not as good as their others. i.e. Combat Rock, Synchronicity, Physical Graffiti

3> U2 - Wow does he ever hate these guys...

What the hell are the following doing on the list:

Rush - Moving Pictures ---- I can think of a couple of Rush albums I might include, but this certainly is not one of them.

The Beatles - Sgt. Peppers - Huh?

The Doors - Best of the Doors - Again, huh?

All Grateful Dead recordings?


What about all the horrible pop recordings of the last 5 years???



----------
And the real wonder of the world is that we don't jump too
----------
Vishnu
Longanisa








Since: 9.7.02
From: The heartland of America

Since last post: 4398 days
Last activity: 4398 days
#7 Posted on
That list was a weak, WEAK version of a vastly superior and ballsier list from issue #9 of a sorely-missed zine called Motorbooty. They factored in how popular the album was, critics' response (the more positive it was, the worse they thought the album was), and how self-important the band is/was. The concepts are so similar I can't help but think the Jaguaro folks ripped off the Motorbooty list (which is a few years old). Here's a few picks (with selected commentary):
1. Beach Boys-Pet Sounds
2. Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon (they're right)
4. The Who-Tommy
6. Beatles-Sgt. Pepper (they're right)
8. The Clash-London Calling
13. Husker Du-Flip Your Wig (really not that good)
14. Lou Reed-Berlin (ditto)
49. Bad Religion-No Control
51. Angry Samoans-Back From Samoa (one of my favorite hardcore albums of all time)
56. Elvis Costello-Punch the Clock (his most overrated alb)
61. Bikini Kill-The Singles (never really saw the point in this band, given that I could just listen to X-Ray Spex instead)
65. Jane's Addiction-Ritual de la Habitual (they suck anyway)
76. Bosstones-Question the Answers (ditto)
79. Jon Spencer Blues Explosion-Orange (ditto)
86. Rolling Stones-Some Girls (admittedly not their best)
88. Neil Young-Harvest
Plus a lot of real crap by bands like REO Speedwagon, Billy Joel, Journey, etc.

Here's the difference: the Motorbooty guys knew their music. They didn't put the truly great albums on the list, like Zen Arcade, the first Clash album, or any Velvet Underground. It was just things that you'd read about in Rolling Stone or Spin as "genre-defining," or something that a drunk guy at a bar/party wouldn't shut up about. Or the album some aging hipster or aspiring young hipster read about in one of the above-mentioned magazines, bought, and then ignored.
By the way, here's the real evidence that guy lacked the balls to really say what he meant: he criticized some of my faves (Dinosaur, BTS, Flaming Lips) for sounding like Neil Young, but then doesn't dare tack on a NY album, lest he look uncool in the eyes of, well, whoever he's trying to impress. That and he just doesn't get jazz (I'm wearing a Coltrane t-shirt as I type this).
I just figured out who this guy reminds me of. I had a friend back in old S.C. who was always grumbling about the music I liked, mostly because it gave him an inferiority complex. I was (and kinda still am) really into music, and thought he had terrible taste (for god's sake, he used to drive around listening to Ugly Kid Joe--in 1999). He'd sort of vaguely criticize me for being too into indie rock. There you have it: a bunch of guys who feel inferior to record store geeks. Now THAT'S pathetic.



Baby, the world ain't round, it's square
eviljonhunt81
Pepperoni








Since: 6.1.02
From: not Japan

Since last post: 3019 days
Last activity: 3016 days
#8 Posted on
I would be shocked that anybody had all the albums in this list. I mean, I have a fair amount, but since I like Pet Sounds, I'm not gonna own Sgt. Pepper. I dunno', it strikes me as very odd in general.



ELECTRIC BLOOD - Get the "F" Out! part 2
THE BEST WRESTLING TAPE EVAR!!

Weekly Visitor
DrewDewce
Bratwurst








Since: 2.1.02
From: The Derby City

Since last post: 50 days
Last activity: 14 hours
Y!:
#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.75
I got a kick out of reading it, and I wasn't offended despite owning (not burned copies but actual copies) of 27 albums on the list. I can see thier (I got the impression that it wasn't one person who put together the list, but many), point on some of the ones I own. Not that I'd throw them out, but I can certainly see their points.

The one that did make my heart sink was INXS "Listen Like Thieves" at #93. I seem to find a new reason to like that disc every time I listen to it, which is still once every 3-4 months, even after all this time.

Still, an interesting read and a good diversion on a boring afternoon at work. Glad Keith mentioned it.



drew2 - Giddyup!!
eviljonhunt81
Pepperoni








Since: 6.1.02
From: not Japan

Since last post: 3019 days
Last activity: 3016 days
#10 Posted on
That INXS album you named is a perfect example of what I was getting at. Is it really that critically aclaimed? Is it one of the albums you've had to listen to be "cool?"



ELECTRIC BLOOD - Get the "F" Out! part 2
THE BEST WRESTLING TAPE EVAR!!

Weekly Visitor
spf
Scrapple








Since: 2.1.02
From: The Las Vegas of Canada

Since last post: 21 days
Last activity: 12 hours
AIM:  
#11 Posted on
I really don't think anyone has ever upped their cred in any way by pointing to an INXS album in their cd collection. And yeah, thanks Vishnu for reminding me about the Flaming Lips album being in there, which just went to show the level of either putziness/desperate attempt to piss off EVERY single group of people you can think of of the reviewer. I mean hell, if you want a Lips album to toss, put Zaireeka on there!

Though anyone who puts Pet Sounds at #1 on a list of albums to be tossed is just missing the point, though considering the rather interesting debate on Pitchfork regarding that album, I guess some would disagree with me.



You never know when you'll meet that special someone... the someone that's mysteriously blind to your flaws. or, you know, stupid enough not to realize that yes, you really are that cynical.
OlFuzzyBastard
Knackwurst








Since: 28.4.02
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Since last post: 3 hours
Last activity: 3 hours
AIM:  
#12 Posted on
More to the point, anyone who puts "Sgt. Pepper..." on there is so musically ignorant that their opinion is invalid.

It would be like a "Worst 100 Wrestlers Ever" list including Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat.



"The only difference between lilies and turds are those humankind have agreed upon, and I don't always agree."
---George Carlin

"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music."
---Anon.
Vishnu
Longanisa








Since: 9.7.02
From: The heartland of America

Since last post: 4398 days
Last activity: 4398 days
#13 Posted on
Well, there are those who think Sgt. Pepper ruined rock and roll, or at least contributed to its ruination. I could elaborate if you'd like.

I haven't heard Zaireeka yet, mostly because I don't have the four CD players necessary to listen to it.

As far as Pet Sounds being on that Motorbooty list, I think they were mostly saying it was overrated, and that its fans talk it up so much that you want to destroy all existing copies. Plus they were mocking the idea of making long, supposedly comprehensive lists. A point apparantly lost on the Jauguaro folks. The #1 ranking for Pet Sounds was meant to piss people off, but also reflects their opinion. Sort of like what the Phantom Surfers said at a big outdoor festival-type show after Stevie Ray Vaughn died:
"Let's have a moment of silence for the memory of Stevie Ray Vaughn. [slight pause] Okay, that's long enough. He wasn't that good."



Baby, the world ain't round, it's square
Big Bad
Scrapple








Since: 4.1.02
From: Dorchester, Ontario

Since last post: 7 days
Last activity: 3 hours
#14 Posted on

    Well, there are those who think Sgt. Pepper ruined rock and roll, or at least contributed to its ruination. I could elaborate if you'd like.


I'd counter this argument by saying that Sgt. Pepper isn't a rock album; it's an album with some rock songs on it played by a rock band, but the Beatles' whole intent in making the record was to expand themselves musically.




I was born in a manger, like that other guy. You know, he wore a hat?
eviljonhunt81
Pepperoni








Since: 6.1.02
From: not Japan

Since last post: 3019 days
Last activity: 3016 days
#15 Posted on
It's also the Beatles trying, and failing, to make a version of Pet Sounds.



ELECTRIC BLOOD - Get the "F" Out! part 2
THE BEST WRESTLING TAPE EVAR!!

Weekly Visitor
Vishnu
Longanisa








Since: 9.7.02
From: The heartland of America

Since last post: 4398 days
Last activity: 4398 days
#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by Big Bad

      Well, there are those who think Sgt. Pepper ruined rock and roll, or at least contributed to its ruination. I could elaborate if you'd like.


    I'd counter this argument by saying that Sgt. Pepper isn't a rock album; it's an album with some rock songs on it played by a rock band, but the Beatles' whole intent in making the record was to expand themselves musically.



That's why punks of all stripes hated it so much. It set a pattern that countless others followed: good rock and roll has to be infused with classical music. It's not the Beatles' fault that this happened, but that's the way things went down. After Sgt. Pepper came the professionalizaton of rock and roll, and it just hasn't been the same since then.

Personally, I think it's an insanely boring record, but I'm not too hip on anything the Beatles did (though I'd imagine they were pretty good when they were in Hamburg). I'll take "Surfin' Bird" or "Wooly Bully" over anything on Sgt. Pepper.



Baby, the world ain't round, it's square
Dr Unlikely
Frankfurter








Since: 2.1.02

Since last post: 3 days
Last activity: 10 hours
AIM:  
#17 Posted on
I think Revolver is probably the more important album in the long run, and I listen to Revolver, Rubber Soul, Abbey Road and The White Album more. But anyone who doesn't like at least Lovely Rita or Getting Better is probably all dead inside.
deadbeater
Morcilla








Since: 12.2.02
From: Parts unknown

Since last post: 4403 days
Last activity: 4403 days
#18 Posted on
Ok, they put Public Enemy's Apocalyse '91 in the list, which sucked so badly it won a Grammy, and not "Fear of a Black Planet"?

Guess these guys like to read the NY Post.

Hell, I wonder what music these guys LIKE? Note: not a single country/western on the list. Interesting...

No Britney, no Aguilera, no NSYNC. Guess we keep those.

Bob Marley on the list????? These guys got no culture whatsoever. Not enough Marley is playing.



(edited by deadbeater on 4.8.02 2144)

"Business has just picked up" says JR. Then right on cue, Molly enters the arena! Never was JR any better in introducing someone. --Raw 7/15
TheCow
Landjager








Since: 3.1.02
From: Knoxville, TN

Since last post: 2481 days
Last activity: 2481 days
AIM:  
Y!:
#19 Posted on
I can definately see what spf and OFB said about trying to piss off all the fanbases around, and chances are that it mostly worked. What struck me as odd was the inclusion of 4 Beastie albums, but the anthology. Go fig. Anyway, it seems like they were trying to piss people off, but not incite them to riot; most of the albums seem fairly safe, except for a few designed to be deliberate. I also think that they set a line for popularity; said album must be so popular or so forth; after all, it wouldn't piss anyone off otherwise. Or something.





You aren't a very bright person, but since you always mean well
and you're so likeable, people don't really care.

chazerizer
Italian








Since: 11.7.02
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Since last post: 4422 days
Last activity: 878 days
AIM:  
#20 Posted on
I'm not sure that the premises of "if a record is popular, it's crap" or "if a band is full of themselves, its crap" or "if critics like it, its crap" are really always true. Granted, that first one covers a lot of ground (go pick up the pop charts, you'll see what I mean), but it isn't always true. And the second one covers a lot of ground, too. I don't want a band trying to tell me how to vote or thing, because really they're just diversions. The last one is a contradicition in terms, at least in this case, because the critics are telling us these albums suck.

I can personally attest to not owning a single one of these albums, though I know and like songs from a lot of them. And this is how I come to my conclusions: If you like a record, its good. Fuck the critics.



"Sales of penis-enlargement treatments and devices in 2000 totaled in excess of $600 million," Skolnick said. "Cock-lengthening is, no pun intended, a consistent growth industry in the U.S., and this bill would severely emasculate it. As usual, it's the little guy who suffers."
Pages: 1Thread ahead: Searching for a song... Help!!!
Next thread: So I'm Going To See The Rolling Stones In October....
Previous thread: Angie Aparo
(2755 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
Amazon.com MP3 Download Top 100 Bestsellers -- July 04, 2010 This is a moment in time snapshot of the current top downloads from Amazon.com.
The W - Music - 100 Albums You Should Throw...Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim

This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.189 seconds.