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Since: 13.2.04
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According to Sportsline, Jason Kidd and Malik Allen for Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, Devean George, DeSagana Diop, two first-round picks and cash.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/

ESPN says it's close but not done yet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244102



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Talk about going full circle.

Ha - I remember when DeSagana Diop was drafted by the Cavs. What a horrible time that was.




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Hopefully he'll stay away from Toni Braxton this time.



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I love Mark Cuban but for some reason the Mavs have rubbed me the wrong way for the past several years. Maybe with my favorite player in the league heading that way, I'll have a new second favorite team?

If nothing else, it'll sure be fun to watch!

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Yeesh! I think in trying to keep up with L.A. and Phoenix, the Mavs might have shot themselves in the foot.

Harris has an incredibly bright future and is almost certain to blossom into a star someday. Stackhouse is a major force off the bench. Giving up those two pieces for Kidd feels like too much and I think the Mavs will regret it in a couple of years. Score one for the Nets. They got the better end of this deal.

Between Shaq and Kidd exiting stage west, the Leastern Conference lives on.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.49
    Originally posted by It's False
    Between Shaq and Kidd exiting stage west, the Leastern Conference lives on.


Yes, the "Leastern Conference" (which has won 2 of the last 4 NBA titles) will certainly miss the best players from the 7th seeded team and the worst team in the NBA. Somehow, I think Boston, Detroit, Orlando and Cleveland are not too concerned. OK, maybe Cleveland.

But I agree with you on the Nets getting the better end of the deal. The window for the Mavs winning a title gets smaller and smaller....

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 13.2.08 1713)
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.87
While Kidd brings some toughness, the Mavs just lost another big man and a nice young PG to get him. I think that they will be a better team, but still get stopped early in the playoffs to a team goes big on them.

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    Originally posted by It's False
    Harris has an incredibly bright future and is almost certain to blossom into a star someday. Stackhouse is a major force off the bench. Giving up those two pieces for Kidd feels like too much and I think the Mavs will regret it in a couple of years.
That's exactly how I felt about any trade involving Kidd coming to the Lakers and I'm glad they didnt do it (and I felt that way even before Bynum blossomed or Gasol showed up).

Case in point: Even if Phoenix (now w/ Shaq) and Dallas (now w/ Kidd) spend the next 3-4 years fighting for the top spots in the West, the Lakers will still be right there in the title hunt with them. But because the Lakers decided to hang on to their young players instead of trading them away for RIGHTNOW~! wins, they'll still be strong 5-6 years from now and I'm not sure I can say the same for Dallas or Phoenix.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by It's False
      Between Shaq and Kidd exiting stage west, the Leastern Conference lives on.


    Yes, the "Leastern Conference" (which has won 2 of the last 4 NBA titles) will certainly miss the best players from the 7th seeded team and the worst team in the NBA.


As of today, the Rockets (playing .600 basketball) won't make the Western playoff bracket. In the East, the 24-27 Wizards are the sixth seed.



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Stacjhouse will reportedly be bought out of his contract by NJ and will re-sign with the Mvs in 30 days. So basically, Stackhouse has 30 days of rest.

It is not a horrible deal for the Mavs but if they do not make the Finals this year or next, the trade will have been awful.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by It's False
      Between Shaq and Kidd exiting stage west, the Leastern Conference lives on.


    Yes, the "Leastern Conference" (which has won 2 of the last 4 NBA titles) will certainly miss the best players from the 7th seeded team and the worst team in the NBA. Somehow, I think Boston, Detroit, Orlando and Cleveland are not too concerned. OK, maybe Cleveland.

    But I agree with you on the Nets getting the better end of the deal. The window for the Mavs winning a title gets smaller and smaller....

    (edited by Reverend J Shaft on 13.2.08 1713)





I'm glad to see Kidd gone from the East. I didn't want to see him face Boston in the 1st round and cause the Celtics to have to go deep into the series to survive. Let everyone go West, only 1 team comes out of the West, and that team will have been through 3 wars to get there. I'll take my shot going through 1 or 2 wars to get to the Finals. I'm sure Detroit, Cleveland and Orlando view things the same way.
As for Stackhouse going back to Dallas: Makes no sense since a player who gets bought out must be on a team before March 1st to be on a playoff roster. If he goes to Dallas in 30 days, he can't be on the playoff roster, thus he is just taking up space.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244818

The deal is DEAD thanks to Devean George.

(edited by StaggerLee on 13.2.08 2041)
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I didn't realize there were TWO first round picks being given up by Dallas as well as all the loot. I like to roll the dice and shake things up as much as anybody, but a young PG with tons of upside and two first round picks for a PG on the downside of his career ... yikes. Devan George should get the key to the city of Dallas for being a dick.

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Case in point: Even if Phoenix (now w/ Shaq) and Dallas (now w/ Kidd) spend the next 3-4 years fighting for the top spots in the West, the Lakers will still be right there in the title hunt with them. But because the Lakers decided to hang on to their young players instead of trading them away for RIGHTNOW~! wins, they'll still be strong 5-6 years from now and I'm not sure I can say the same for Dallas or Phoenix.


I agree, except that I think even 3-4 years is being awfully generous. The Suns have to win THIS year. The only way the Shaq trade will work if he really does come back rejuvenated and motivated and even if he does and they win the Championship this year Shaq won't come back the same way again next year.

The Mavs on the other hand...honestly I'm not sure they are even really a contender this year but Kidd definitely helps. Still I think their window is more like 1 - 2 years at best.

The Lakers are now in a great position for the future with the Jazz, Blazers and Hornets ready to contend as the Suns, Mavericks and eventually the Spurs fall behind.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.49
    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
        Originally posted by It's False
        Between Shaq and Kidd exiting stage west, the Leastern Conference lives on.


      Yes, the "Leastern Conference" (which has won 2 of the last 4 NBA titles) will certainly miss the best players from the 7th seeded team and the worst team in the NBA.


    As of today, the Rockets (playing .600 basketball) won't make the Western playoff bracket. In the East, the 24-27 Wizards are the sixth seed.


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.94
    Originally posted by Wpob
    Stacjhouse will reportedly be bought out of his contract by NJ and will re-sign with the Mvs in 30 days. So basically, Stackhouse has 30 days of rest.

The NBA might have other ideas if this is indeed the plan.

UPDATE: And the NBA has indeed stepped in. If Stackhouse is traded, he won't be allowed to go back to the Mavs. Wilbon and TK both called "bullshit" on this one when the news broke on PTI, as Stackhouse getting bought out and re-signing with the Mavs is technically within the rules.

(edited by It's False on 15.2.08 1508)



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
Aaaaaand it's finally done!

It cost the Mavs $11 million more than the original deal, but now they get to keep Stackhouse (yay!) and George (whoop-ti-do). According to the article, Kidd has already been excused from a Nets practice and has made plans to travel to Texas, so it looks like it's actually a done deal this time.

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Included in the deal is the retired Keith Van Horn. Please. First they're going to trade a player that is going to go back to the original team, then they trade for a retired player? This trade makes the Mavs, Nets and the NBA all look like a joke.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Included in the deal is the retired Keith Van Horn. Please. First they're going to trade a player that is going to go back to the original team, then they trade for a retired player? This trade makes the Mavs, Nets and the NBA all look like a joke.

Unless I misheard something, Van Horn was never officially retired, and he wants to, and actually will, play for the Nets. So uh, what's the problem here?

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
I hate, hate, HATE that teams can use a player that is retired, sign them to big money and trade them without them ever doing squat to skirt the rules. If it leads to a Van Horn comeback then great, but I see it leading to more players not 'officially retiring'.
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