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#41 Posted on

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    I wouldn't mind seeing Eddie or Matt get a Hogan feud, even if they do job, it's HULK HOGAN.

Sounds great, just ask Kidman.

Seriously, I think Hogan's been great about passing the torch to the current generation of wrestlers, and that really has to be his role if he's going to be brought back in a full time capacity for any period. Despite the title win, I think everyone should recognize the humility he's shown (of course this could be a case of lowered expectations, congratulating a guy for doing his job, but oh well). But I really really doubt the benefits of jobbing to Hogan at this point.

Ratings-wise, I don't think he'll cause any serious long term increase, but I've always hated playing the Who's Responsible For The Ratings game. It just seems clear to me that his pops are always the highest when he comes back, and they dwindle from there.

As for the Benoit/Hogan credibility debate, I'd believe Benoit as a champion because he really looks like he's beating the shit out of people when he's wrestling. I'd probably believe him more as a champion than the 1997 model, where he was more nimble but less of a direct ass-kicker. Hogan's just practically immobile and I have a hard time believing any match that he's in.

Anyway, it looks like this could all be a moot point as Hogan has one last two month run culminating with a match against Vince McMahon, but I've still got my fingers crossed for a Hogan vs. Alf Loser Accepts The Charges cage match at Wrestlemania.
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Since: 15.2.02
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#42 Posted on
I know we're suppose to have this Suspension of Disbelief when watching wrestling, but come on...Hogan looks like he's about to blow out a hip at any moment.

When you have people like Rey, Benoit, Eddie, Edge, Lesnar, and Angle...It's hard to believe that a old man can whip them up.

The Guard always has to change...It's time for Hogan to accept that and let others further the industry.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
This will only be cool if he brings in Alf as his tag team partner.



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#44 Posted on
When you get right down to it, this is just another "Babyface of the month vs. Evil MacMahon Character". Think of it this way, exactly who does this fued help?

Hulk Hogan? Barely able to wrestle, let alone walk, who will be gone in a year or so?

Vince MacMahon? Tired old heel, non-wrestler, and over-used character?

Basically, if it's not going to elevate the company in anyway shape or form down the road, you might as well pile it into the nWo, Invasion, and Ric Flair ownership angles; another cheap rating pop. I just can't see this going anywhere important beyond Wrestlemania.



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Since: 16.12.02
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#45 Posted on
I honestly believe they would draw more out an Austin - Hogan match. That was the real dream match up not Hogan - Rock. As somebody said earlier this is the battle of icons who have sold the most t-shirts and in my eyes this is the true dream match between 80's - 90's. I see Austin as the bigger star than The Rock, mostly due to the fact that Austin has won the most matches when the two have fought. So fuck Vince - Hogan at WM19, lets see the battle of the t-shirt icons Austin v Hogan.
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#46 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nag
    Now you can make the argument that he (Hogan) will spike up ratings and bring up buy rates. Yeah, he did the same thing for WCW right. BTW, What ever happened to that company


Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...

This argument gets stale when you use it to describe Hogan, Nash, Sid, Steiner, or Goldberg. Why doesn't anybody ever blame Sting for the fall of WCW? He was a main eventer for pretty much every year of it's existence...

WCW was doomed to fail. They tried to rise in a market already cornered by the competition, had only one year in the red, and was finally bought out in much the same fashion that Vince McMahon bought out all his competition. He kept his competition beneath him (with the exception of a year and a half, compared to the decade that WCW was around) by putting out a better product. In fact, the WWF was so awesome in '99/00 (maybe nostalgia, but HHH was at the top of his heel game, the Rock was a fresh babyface, Foley delivered on what the fans wanted, and our midcard was filled with Benoit, Angle, Jericho, Val Venis (Good worker), and Rikishi (Best big man in the business today, IMO; watch the man bump for clotheslines). The Tag Team scene was stacked with the Dudleyz, Hardyz, Edge and Christian, the New Age Outlaws, and the Acolytes. Anything that tried to go up against WWF at this time was in for trouble.

So, I guess what you're saying is that Hulk Hogan made the WWF so big in the '80s that any competition would be squashed like a bug?



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Since: 12.10.02
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#47 Posted on
WWF probably wouldn't have had Austin, Foley, Benoit, Jericho, and company to work with if it weren't for the Hulkster and friends.

Hogan's last return got some nostalgia pops in the northeast but he couldn't even sellout MSG for his return. The rest of the country didn't care. Ratings went down, attendance continued to decline, buyrates continued to decline.

People call Austin's impending return as nostalgia but Austin's still under 40 and when he wants, he can go with the best in the world. Hogan's just got no gas left in the tank and is an uninteresting character to me. I just don't think the target demographic wants to see someone older then their parents running around beating people up. That's just me though.
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Since: 12.1.02
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Eh, I dunno... when last we saw Austin and Hogan, both of 'em actually kinda sucked. The reason Austin sucked in his most recent few months, though, was in my view because of lack of passion-- he had the talent to do whatever he wanted to in the ring, but he chose not to because he was apathetic. Hogan, on the other hand, was the exact opposite-- I could tell that he at least cared about what he was doing, even if he's never been a very talented wrestler from a strict wrestling point of view.

And believe me, when the nWo returned at No Way Out 2002, I was all “Damn, Nash. Damn, Hogan. Cool, Hall's back!” But Hogan won me over, in part because of his unselfishness and willingness to do jobs for people (which he rarely ever did before), and in part because his interviews were better. I thought Hogan's interview the night after No Way Out (just before the famous Rocky standoff) was tremendous for Hogan-- he talked slower, more normally, and showed actual emotion without acting like a damned cartoon character. His matches weren't all that good, but Rock-Hogan bought WrestleMania for me. Of course his matches with Triple H and Undertaker sucked, I mean... look at his opponents. At least he had a fairly good match against Angle.

Austin, on the other hand, just sort of wasted his talent between WrestleMania and the time he left. He relied even more heavily on that word in his interviews (oh, joy, just when we got people to stop saying that, he has to come back), and didn't put on a great show in the ring at all. And this was a guy who was getting booked to beat the living shit out of everyone he faced! He won a match against new nWo member Booker T despite having ten or so hostile lumberjacks trying to make Austin lose (in a match reminiscient of a Kevin Nash/David Flair WCW Title match from a few years ago). He beat Big Show, he beat Flair. He beat Big Show and Flair in handicap matches. Sure, the writing sucked, but Austin was one of the only guys on the RAW roster that was being made to look good. Yet he just wasn't showing any effort. And I believe the only reason he wanted a feud against Eddie Guerrero was so Guerrero could make him look like a million bucks. Because Eddie's one of those guys who could wrestle an inanimate carbon rod to a three-star match.

So I say, nice to have you back, Hulkster! (as long as you don't run wild on everyone for the next two months), and I hope someone in WWE pisses Austin off again so he'll be off my television screen within no time at all (unless he wants to actually do something this time).



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#49 Posted on
I still believe that if/when Austin comes back, he's only coming back because he WANTS to and the time off let him face his demons and put them behind him. The time away often helps guys rediscover their passion because beyond all the political BS, guys like Austin have that drive to be the best. But we've had a zillion threads on this already, I guess we'll find out soon enough which Austin returns.
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#50 Posted on

    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    For those of you who don't think Hogan/Vince at WM XIX will hold down anybody lower on the card, think about this:

    How do you build up Hogan for this match? The answer is you give him wins over guys on Smackdown. If Hogan/Vince does happen, we might have Hogan vs. Benoit or Angle or Big Show or any number of SD guys at No Way Out.



Oh, give me a break. If you're going to stand in line with the rest of the sheep and go orange-bashing, at least use a vaguely plausible argument.

Why in the name of anything even remotely sane would they need to feed anyone to Hogan to build up a match versus Vince McMahon?

Is Vince higher on the card than he is?

Is his character surrounded by heel flunkies?

Does Hulk Hogan need, in some fashion, to convince people that he can beat McMahon?

The person you SHOULD be worried about getting fed people on Smackdown! is VINCE, to prove that he can beat Hogan.

The only plausible opponent you mention is Big Show, who might be sent his way by a sycophantic Paul Heyman "doing a favor" for the boss' dad. To which I say "so what?" Hogan/Show will suck. But it'll suck for MAYBE five minutes, max, and I can think of many dozens of things I can do during those five minutes so I won't have to watch it and bitch, bitch, bitch. It'll give both guys something to do, advance the story, and won't eat up the whole show like a HHH/Steiner jumprope contest.

Not everything orange and bulge-y is bad, kiddies.



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Since: 31.1.02
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#51 Posted on
Coincidentally, according to Headline News, Hogan won his first WWF title by defeating the Iron Sheik 19 years ago on this date. Let's see how popular HHH or the Rock are 15 years down the road...



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#52 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nate The Snake

      Originally posted by Torchslasher
      For those of you who don't think Hogan/Vince at WM XIX will hold down anybody lower on the card, think about this:

      How do you build up Hogan for this match? The answer is you give him wins over guys on Smackdown. If Hogan/Vince does happen, we might have Hogan vs. Benoit or Angle or Big Show or any number of SD guys at No Way Out.



    Oh, give me a break. If you're going to stand in line with the rest of the sheep and go orange-bashing, at least use a vaguely plausible argument.

    Why in the name of anything even remotely sane would they need to feed anyone to Hogan to build up a match versus Vince McMahon?

    Is Vince higher on the card than he is?

    Is his character surrounded by heel flunkies?

    Does Hulk Hogan need, in some fashion, to convince people that he can beat McMahon?

    The person you SHOULD be worried about getting fed people on Smackdown! is VINCE, to prove that he can beat Hogan.

    The only plausible opponent you mention is Big Show, who might be sent his way by a sycophantic Paul Heyman "doing a favor" for the boss' dad. To which I say "so what?" Hogan/Show will suck. But it'll suck for MAYBE five minutes, max, and I can think of many dozens of things I can do during those five minutes so I won't have to watch it and bitch, bitch, bitch. It'll give both guys something to do, advance the story, and won't eat up the whole show like a HHH/Steiner jumprope contest.

    Not everything orange and bulge-y is bad, kiddies.






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Since: 29.10.02
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#53 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nate The Snake

      Originally posted by Torchslasher
      For those of you who don't think Hogan/Vince at WM XIX will hold down anybody lower on the card, think about this:

      How do you build up Hogan for this match? The answer is you give him wins over guys on Smackdown. If Hogan/Vince does happen, we might have Hogan vs. Benoit or Angle or Big Show or any number of SD guys at No Way Out.



    Oh, give me a break. If you're going to stand in line with the rest of the sheep and go orange-bashing, at least use a vaguely plausible argument.

    Why in the name of anything even remotely sane would they need to feed anyone to Hogan to build up a match versus Vince McMahon?

    Is Vince higher on the card than he is?

    Is his character surrounded by heel flunkies?

    Does Hulk Hogan need, in some fashion, to convince people that he can beat McMahon?

    The person you SHOULD be worried about getting fed people on Smackdown! is VINCE, to prove that he can beat Hogan.

    The only plausible opponent you mention is Big Show, who might be sent his way by a sycophantic Paul Heyman "doing a favor" for the boss' dad. To which I say "so what?" Hogan/Show will suck. But it'll suck for MAYBE five minutes, max, and I can think of many dozens of things I can do during those five minutes so I won't have to watch it and bitch, bitch, bitch. It'll give both guys something to do, advance the story, and won't eat up the whole show like a HHH/Steiner jumprope contest.

    Not everything orange and bulge-y is bad, kiddies.



Seriously, calm down. He didn't insult anybody, Jesus.

As for Hogan just coming back to job, that may not be the best idea. I mean, he did such a GOOD job of losing to everybody under the sun that I started to just expect Hogan to lose - and he did. The novelty of beating Hogan when a team like CHRISTIAN AND LANCE STORM can dethrone Hogan's tag championship is kind of low. I don't know who we're trying to impress with Hogan's losses. Do all the fans who don't have the net go "WOW He just beat Hogan!" even after he's lost match after match? How long until the credibility of Hogan's name is so diminished that people aren't impressed when he "puts somebody over".

Personally, I don't want to see another "Hogan jobs to everybody" tour. He should feud with Vince and concentrate on that, then take his WM win and go home. Hogan the jobber was OK in 2002, let's let him leave with some face. Because obviously, the IWC doesn't give him much credit. The man can't keep jobbing and then leave. Let him go out high and chill out.

The point was already made too - you have to be nuts to think that Hogan will stop 1 year shy of the 20th anniversary of WrestleMania. Even if its just a one-month reign, Hogan will at least be back again to put another nail in his coffin. (I don't mean that in a bad way)



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#54 Posted on
I knew Hogan's return would draw the ire of the workrate freaks on this board. However, for the real fans, the ones who realize whats going on, rather than shouting every five minutes "glass ceiling! push benoit!", this is good stuff. Hogan is classic. Hogan belongs in the WWE. Hogan is one of the factors the WWE needs right now. Given the choice today between seeing an Austin return and a Hogan return, give me Hogan any day. Hogan made me a fan of pro wrestling on the day I saw Rocky III and asked my dad who that guy Thunderlips was. I was with Hogan through his first 9 Wrestlemanias and the one last year. I saw him slam Andre on closed circuit. I saw him beat the Warrior in one of his best matches. Did I ever get tired of him? A few times, yes. But that's not saying that I'll never stop being a fan. Hogan is pro wrestling for me, as far as I'm concerned.



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Since: 12.10.02
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#55 Posted on
Some of us grew up with Hogan, others of us with Ric Flair, which probably explains a lot of things.

His last run just showed that while people will cheer for Hogan when they're at the arena, they won't pay to see the man anymore. If I were at a hockey game and they brought out Gordie Howe, I'd cheer until my lungs hurt because he's a legend. But I have no desire to see him suit up and get back on the ice. I wouldn't pay to see that.

Hogan should continue his jobbing tour because that's the way it's supposed to be in wrestling, giving back and trying to help the next wave of talent. While Hogan's jobbing tour was nice, it was about five years too late to really mean a damn.

It's got very little to do with workrate because I just haven't found the old man entertaining in a long time.
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#56 Posted on
I don't know...as much as I roll my eyes when he comes limping down the ramp, there's a 12 year old "mark" inside me that makes the hair on my neck stand up when he gets a 10 minute standing "O".

He's a definite rarity in this sport, what he lacked in actual mat skills he more than made up with physique and charisma. Both of which he still has. That being said, he just isn't believable as a "top guy" any longer...but so long as they keep him in a program with Vince, and milk his "legend" status it's only a bonus for the show in my opinion.

I was just now disappointed to learn that the WWE event that I'm going to on Monday ISN'T Raw...that's in Chicago. (@#$%$ flatlanders!) However, we're getting a special non-televised Smackdown show...which is promising the Milwaukee debut of Brock Lesnar among others. So with any luck, I might get to see Benoit and/or Angle too. And now maybe even Hogan? (I doubt it since it's non-televised). Having never been to a live event, I think the 12 year old mark in me would be very happy if the Hulkster shows up.






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#57 Posted on
Hey--Brock is going to fight HHH in the Garden! Ooh I hope he wins so we have a champion vs. champion in WM 19.



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