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#101 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.26
So I take it nobody watched the PPV? 'cause we really need a new thread.



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#102 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F7SrNxBylHk

Here's the Angle video from the PPV if anyone wants it.
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#103 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
    Originally posted by chazworthington
    With regard to PPV payments owed, are the bonuses calculated by card placement (ie, main eventers get more) or does each wrestler's contract stipulate the percent of the cut they get?


I believe it's a little of both. Kurt had a large downside, but as far as incentives go, they're higher if you're in the main event slot than if you're curtain jerking. As such, during the periods you mentioned, Kurt would have been making way more than any other mid-carder in WWE (due to his downside), but still not nearly as much as he would have made had he been in the main events.

Meltz said a couple weeks ago his suspension cost him ninety grand.

    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    I mean, I think it's a hundred times better for Kurt to work one or two days every couple of months (assuming he'll be on a "Sting" schedule) with TNA than to do ANY MMA stuff at all. But still.


That a little iffy. People assume that MMA would be harder on your body than pro wrestling due to one being legit and the other being fixed, but ironically it's not. He'll take more direct contact hits during those two or three monthly TNA matches than he would have taken during his once-every-two-months MMA bouts. Especially since UFC was probably going to book his first bout as a mismatch in Kurt's favour. The thing is, Kurt knew, I'm sure, that he couldn't do UFC in anything BUT mismatches; he'd be risking too much, reputation-wise. He gets trounced there and he's worthless to WWE (see the lack of interest in a now fully demystified Ken Shamrock). So despite his talking with UFC, I never believed Kurt would go that way. The worry here is that he won't do a Sting schedule, I don't believe. They've booked an 18, 000 seater in Monterrey for Novemeber 25th (Monterrey where I couldn't tell ya), and they're moving to prime time. If anything, they want to use Kurt to head into a newer, more competitive era.

Deadpools are disgusting, by the way.

I wish Kurt the best, and anxiously await his return to WWE. Someday.






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#104 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
That's the thing, I don't think Kurt is coming back to WWE. I don't think he burned any bridges, but he certainly slammed the door in WWE's face, so to speak.

For me, this really came out of left field, and I am wondering if Vince knew ahead of time, or what he thinks of the whole situation.

Though, it'll be interesting to watch if WWE will bury and/or downplay Angle's rep/significance sort of like they did to Hogan, Savage and Bret when they left.

Afterall, if there's anything Vince hates, it's other companies using the people he made first.



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#105 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    That a little iffy. People assume that MMA would be harder on your body than pro wrestling due to one being legit and the other being fixed, but ironically it's not. He'll take more direct contact hits during those two or three monthly TNA matches than he would have taken during his once-every-two-months MMA bouts.


Honestly? I don't know why MMA is even being discussed, since I sincerely doubt Angle would have been medical cleared to compete to begin with, let alone pass any drug tests.

This makes me sick to my stomach, in all honesty. A lighter schedule with TNA is a moot point; he literally cannot perform without medicating himself. The only positive spin you could put on this situation is if Kurt Angle is only going to wrestle three or four matches during his entire tenure, and you know that's not going to happen...and even then, that's three or four matches too many at this point in his life.

Angle needed desperately to take time off for the sake of his family, his mental well-being, and his physical health. I hate to sound so hyperbolic and over-dramatic, but I can see absolutely no good coming out of this situation.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 25.9.06 0208)


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#106 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.39
    Originally posted by canis582
    Guess no wwe dvd for awhile...


Why not? If there ever was a wrestler REALLY deserving a "The self destruction of..." DVD its Kurt!

And yippie - NOW, he WILL die in that very ring! Only that its six sided now!

I just feel sad for him!He still should just retire!

And I feel sad for guys like Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe! Now it looks like they will never really headline for TNA! At least not longer as Rhino or Raven did.



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#107 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
This is possibly the most irresponsible thing a wrestling company's ever done. Angle's condition was and is so bad that the company that made him and utilised him as a top star felt the need to fire him in order to rest his body. That's not a precautionary tactic. If WWE thought they could work around his issues, they sure as Hell would have.

So a company finally takes charge of its employees' health, to the point where they're willing to sacrifice business, and their efforts are immediately undermined by their closest rival. I don't care what schedule Angle will be working-if he was able to work any schedule at all, he would have been placed on it by WWE. They didn't release him because he could only work a few days a month. They released him because he was falling apart, both physically and mentally. He was unable to carry on-he must have been i order for them to let him go. And TNA have blustered right past that in order to make a name for themselves. What kind of sick idiots exploit that kind of situation?





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#108 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.73
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    It's the drugs that is the key though. Angle said he couldn't compete anymore without them and said that is why he was leaving. Are we to believe he has kicked the habit already? TNA also signed a Curt Hening and Crash Holly that were released by the WWE for similar reasons and that didn't really work out in anyones favor.



    (edited by BigDaddyLoco on 25.9.06 0002)


This is stupid. Worst case of apples and oranges ever. Crash Holly committed suicide with an overdose after being served with divorce papers from his wife. He shouldn't be brought into this at all. Nor guys like Hennig, who I don't even recall signing with TNA. Hennig is one of the long list of 80s wrestlers who lived life in the fast lane during the 80s and it caught up to them in recent years.

The thing that bugs me is what are we to believe? How are we to know exactly how serious Angle's injuries or drug problems are? Or aren't? None of us know, and WWE's parting shots at Angle seemed like more of a way to bury him on his way out (and possibly knowing he was heading to TNA) than anything else.

And having Angle work two days every couple months is better than working once a week like he was doing with WWE. I'm sure Angle will be protected physically if there is a problem... which none of us know that there is.



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#109 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.37
"Oh it's real, it's DAMN real!"... WTF does this mean? Does the E own the copyright on "it's true" or has Kurt lost it?

Was kind of weird that they excknowledged him as the former world heavyweight championship. The way that came off was TNA knows which belt on this side of the atlantic really means something.



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#110 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
    Originally posted by chill
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      It's the drugs that is the key though. Angle said he couldn't compete anymore without them and said that is why he was leaving. Are we to believe he has kicked the habit already? TNA also signed a Curt Hening and Crash Holly that were released by the WWE for similar reasons and that didn't really work out in anyones favor.



      (edited by BigDaddyLoco on 25.9.06 0002)


    This is stupid. Worst case of apples and oranges ever. Crash Holly committed suicide with an overdose after being served with divorce papers from his wife. He shouldn't be brought into this at all. Nor guys like Hennig, who I don't even recall signing with TNA. Hennig is one of the long list of 80s wrestlers who lived life in the fast lane during the 80s and it caught up to them in recent years.

    The thing that bugs me is what are we to believe? How are we to know exactly how serious Angle's injuries or drug problems are? Or aren't? None of us know, and WWE's parting shots at Angle seemed like more of a way to bury him on his way out (and possibly knowing he was heading to TNA) than anything else.

    And having Angle work two days every couple months is better than working once a week like he was doing with WWE. I'm sure Angle will be protected physically if there is a problem... which none of us know that there is.


Crash Holly and Hennig were both released by the WWE for their substance abuse problems and TNA scooped both up shortly after. Angle was let go mainly because the WWE really didn't need another Eddie on their hands, and he even said himself that he could not compete anymore with out pain pills. There is your apples and apples.

It's awfully naive to think that Angle is perfectly fine and the WWE just fired one of their top stars and let him walk to the next company because he had an injury and they just felt like burying him.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 25.9.06 0646)
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#111 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
Now the important questions:

Are you curious to find out what Kurt is gonna do/say?
Will you keep your eyes on TNA where you didn't really used to before?
Will this make you watch TNA this thursday?
Reading spoilers because of Kurt's involvement counts as a yes.

If the answer is yes or probably, then Dixie Carter delivered on her promise and they achieved their goal, to make people tune in.

I think they will have to blow their wad on him pretty soon, as they can never be sure how long he will stay "healthy" enough to perform.
If that generates interest for them between now and six months, then TNA will probably be exstatic. They might get a better deal out of this (See? We have a legit legend. The sky is the limit, SpikeTV!) and what not.





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#112 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.70
I bet that all the speculation of working MMA shows was merely an effort to keep people from speculating that Kurt was planning on signing with TNA.

With that, I have but one thing to say: I am disappointed in you, Kurt. You were given (in good faith) a release from your WWE contract so that you can mend your broken body, broken life, and get everything back on track. Yet...hey, look where you are! Its like that Nicholas Cage movie where the guy is given a second chance to get his life in order, but yet still yearns for the empty existance of his former self.

I will admit something: this doesn't inspire me to turn on TNA on Thursday nights. Outside of the fact that it's the day that THE OFFICE is on...it just doesn't make sense.

It's sad. It's damn sad. I wish him the best, but I'm not a sheep: I'm not going to flock over to Spike to watch TNA because of this.



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#113 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
TNA added a page in which some of the wrestlers talk about their reaction to the Angle signing. They're all pretty much in character, but I find myself agreeing most with Eric Young's comment (which could be interpreted both ways): "Frightening and exciting at the same time... is that possible?"

Sure, from a strict 'wrestling fan' standpoint, there are many wrestlers I'd like to see Kurt Angle in the ring with. Christian Cage, Rhyno, Abyss, Sting, Christopher Daniels, Jeff Jarrett, Samoa Joe. Heck, many of those matches could main-event a pay-per-view.

But I'd like to see him kick the addiction first and get as healthy as possible before he steps into the ring at all. I don't wanna see him die or get paraylzed, after all. I hope TNA does right by him and by those fans who are legitimately concerned for the man's health.

Hopefully the lighter taping schedule will be good for him. And heck, Kurt's the kind of guy who's charismatic enough that he doesn't need to be wrestling every week to make a difference.



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#114 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
The worst case scenario for WWE is if something happens to Angle, because there are those in the mainstream media who will place the blame on WWE no matter what (Mushnick, for example). It's not as satisfying to them to blame a promotion that most people have never heard of.
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#115 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.36
    Originally posted by chill
    I'm sure Angle will be protected physically if there is a problem...


I'm sure he won't be, because there has been a problem for years and his adrenaline takes over and it's not in him to halfass it and take care of himself.


    which none of us know that there is.


Haha.
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#116 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by chill
      I'm sure Angle will be protected physically if there is a problem...


    I'm sure he won't be, because there has been a problem for years and his adrenaline takes over and it's not in him to halfass it and take care of himself.


      which none of us know that there is.


    Haha.


Compare that to Chris Benoit. Angle has the drive and talent of the Dynamite Kid, but Benoit has self-control. While it was regretable to not see Benoit compete for most of 2001 and 2002, it also extended his career by several years.

Angle? No spinal fusion for him, and no extended time off. The result? He'll be lucky to finish out the decade.



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#117 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.13
geez, I really want to go to a show just to catch Angle doing autographs or something and tell him he's already a legend, and we all like him better alive.



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#118 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
I wish someone would explain to me why Kurt Angle is such a lock to die in the near future, and where this knowledge comes from.




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#119 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.13
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    I wish someone would explain to me why Kurt Angle is such a lock to die in the near future, and where this knowledge comes from.


just a conclusion drawn from past observations, this is a skill known as "inferring" my good sir.

I guess the alternative is to not say anything, then when he's dead say "ah, it was them there drugs"



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#120 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.26
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    I wish someone would explain to me why Kurt Angle is such a lock to die in the near future, and where this knowledge comes from.
No offense, but this makes you look like you haven't been paying attention to the last, say, nine months' or so worth of "news." That said, I'm sure there isn't a single person who wouldn't love to be proven wrong.



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